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Westminstenders: May's Deal or No Deal

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 18:48

Tonight: Votes on Amendments after May's Stitch-Up Promise which might nerf the crucial Cooper-Boles amendment as its now deemed 'unnecessary'. I think voting starts very shortly. (They are just summing up now)

A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

Corbyn's amendment. You can ignore. Its going to fail.

The SNPs amendment should in theory pass, but with the vote on the 13th March and the government whip, it might fail today.

Cooper-Letwin (or Cooper-Boles whichever you prefer) needs to pass to ensure May can't worm her way out of the current timetable but it looks unlikely to pass. If it does it would come into effect on the 13th March.

Costa's amendment is interesting as he was forced to resign in order to table it (and protect his parents who are EU citz) even though the government have now backed his amendment. His speech was striking in how he stressed it was about people not party politics.

Looking like Spelman has been withdrawn. So possible there will be no vote on it, as May has promised a vote on extension on the 14th March.

The battle now turns to how long the (almost inevitable) a50 extension will be.

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
Its still unlikely to pass.

Which would lead to Cooper-Boles coming into effect (if it passes) though it now has effectively been accepted by May though she might renege.

We now face a vote rejecting no deal on March 13th. Which should ban no deal.

This makes the all important vote effectively on March 14th which will be about the extension. The detail and amendments on this are important and will affect what happens next.

March 29th is probably no longer important as we won't be leaving then.

If we only are able to get a short extension (which the EU might refuse and insist on a longer one! But I doubt it) then the end of April begining of May is crucial. If we don't pass the legislation to take part in EU elections then May can dictate to the HoC and force her deal through as the only alternative to No Deal.

The EU elections fall on May 23-26.

The new parliament starts on the July 1st. This is now effectively the cliff edge if May has her way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Abbreviation thread.

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Flowerplower · 27/02/2019 18:52

Pmk thanks Red.

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 18:53

Thank you, Red. Watching.

DGRossetti · 27/02/2019 18:53

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/02/2019 18:54

Congratulations on the house offer Red. Crazy timing...

I might, I hope, have misheard as I was out of the room, but did I hear the Letwin Cooper amendment won’t be voted on?

HazardGhost · 27/02/2019 18:55

Ta red and congrats on the offer for your house - I hope you find your dream home quickly!

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/02/2019 18:55

OK, looks like I misheard.

Peregrina · 27/02/2019 18:56

PMK

MangoSplit · 27/02/2019 18:57

PMK

Butterymuffin · 27/02/2019 18:57

Thanks Red. I am Shock that anyone would still think May's word counts for anything. Hoping Cooper Boles has a chance.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/02/2019 18:58

Oh, I can’t keep up. The Cooper amendment has been dropped. Only two votes tonight.

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 18:58

May will renege and claim 'in the national interest'.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/02/2019 18:58

Which two? Anyone know?

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 19:00

Corbyn's has gone to the vote now. (A)

67chevvyimpala · 27/02/2019 19:06

Pmk

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/02/2019 19:07

PMK

InterchangeableEmma · 27/02/2019 19:09

pmk

DarlingNikita · 27/02/2019 19:11

Thanks Red.

I'm now officially Utterly Confused about what's happening and why. Can I stay on these threads and just stare blankly from the sidelines?

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:11

PMK. Thanks red.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 27/02/2019 19:11

PMK

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 19:12

I'll tell you what annoys me, while we are waiting for the somewhat inevitable result.

I use subtitles a !ot on the BBC Parliament channel. The audio-typists or the computer programme they use surely must have experience of 'the ayes ' and 'the noes ' - and not 'the eyes' and 'the nose '.

Small thing, but it bothers me.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:14

240 aye 323 no.

Corbyn defeated.

SNP next. Expect party shenigans.

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:16

I'm now officially Utterly Confused about what's happening and why. Can I stay on these threads and just stare blankly from the sidelines

Things are happening. But really nothing is happening. Its kinda the problem!

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/02/2019 19:23

Autumncrow Live programmes are, I believe, subtitled using voice recognition, which sometimes results in ridiculous subtitles (iirc, the queen travelled in a cabbage on one occasion). There were some very funny scenes on W1A around this.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:23

Bated breath

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 19:24

This Amendment K calls for the UK not to leave the EU without a deal 'under any circumstances '.

As others said on the previous thread, the PM's being locked into that parliamentary wish doesn't mean it can't happen ...