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Westminstenders: May's Deal or No Deal

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 18:48

Tonight: Votes on Amendments after May's Stitch-Up Promise which might nerf the crucial Cooper-Boles amendment as its now deemed 'unnecessary'. I think voting starts very shortly. (They are just summing up now)

A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

Corbyn's amendment. You can ignore. Its going to fail.

The SNPs amendment should in theory pass, but with the vote on the 13th March and the government whip, it might fail today.

Cooper-Letwin (or Cooper-Boles whichever you prefer) needs to pass to ensure May can't worm her way out of the current timetable but it looks unlikely to pass. If it does it would come into effect on the 13th March.

Costa's amendment is interesting as he was forced to resign in order to table it (and protect his parents who are EU citz) even though the government have now backed his amendment. His speech was striking in how he stressed it was about people not party politics.

Looking like Spelman has been withdrawn. So possible there will be no vote on it, as May has promised a vote on extension on the 14th March.

The battle now turns to how long the (almost inevitable) a50 extension will be.

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
Its still unlikely to pass.

Which would lead to Cooper-Boles coming into effect (if it passes) though it now has effectively been accepted by May though she might renege.

We now face a vote rejecting no deal on March 13th. Which should ban no deal.

This makes the all important vote effectively on March 14th which will be about the extension. The detail and amendments on this are important and will affect what happens next.

March 29th is probably no longer important as we won't be leaving then.

If we only are able to get a short extension (which the EU might refuse and insist on a longer one! But I doubt it) then the end of April begining of May is crucial. If we don't pass the legislation to take part in EU elections then May can dictate to the HoC and force her deal through as the only alternative to No Deal.

The EU elections fall on May 23-26.

The new parliament starts on the July 1st. This is now effectively the cliff edge if May has her way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Abbreviation thread.

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BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 19:41

Could be the ERG are planning on voting against but maybe they'll just abstain instead.

Steven Swinford

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Heard rumours that ERG could mobilise against the Cooper amendment this evening

It's just that at this stage - have not been able to substantiate - but hearing Eurosceptics are pretty irritated at suggestions they are softening their position...

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Steven Swinford

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Have put this to five senior Eurosceptics in the last 30 mins or so. I'm getting radio silence.

Feels like something is afoot. Are the ERG about to fire another warning shot at the PM?

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Hasenstein · 27/02/2019 19:41

Sparkly

Are there any men over the age of 35 with a full head of hair?

Yup. Some even over 65. Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:41

Surprising about the DUP abstentions

  • signs of movement, or are they just as confused as we are about what's going on ?
SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:41

My dad had a full head of hair until stress made it fall out in patches. Grandad had a full head of hair at nearly 90. Seems unusual.

BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 19:43

I've only just noticed that the Cooper amendment specifies a "short limited extension" which I assume is ruling out the longer 21 month extension suggested by the EU the other day.

67chevvyimpala · 27/02/2019 19:43

I have no idea what's going on...

BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:43

PARLY@ParlyApp

Doors are now locked.

Very few if any MPs voted no on Cooper amendment
but dozens appear to have abstained.

NoWordForFluffy · 27/02/2019 19:44

I think it's quite unusual at 90, definitely.

Good luck with the house move, Red. 🏠

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 27/02/2019 19:45

Thanks red

BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 19:45

My grandad died in his 70s with not only a full head of hair but it was still pretty much completely black. His beard was silver, but the hair on his head amazing. I confess I had secretly thought he dyed it until he was in a hospital for a few weeks before he died and it was still as black and luscious as always. I can only assume it was some sort of magic.

NoWordForFluffy · 27/02/2019 19:45

I'm totally baffled too. I don't have it on TV though as I can't stand to watch it.

We had the last votes on TV and my 5 year old piped up after about 2 votes that she was bored of Brexit now. From the mouth of babes...

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:46

So ERG let it pass to avoid a 21 month extension.

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AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 19:48

And to have a pop at May's authority

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:49

Woooooo!!!!!!!!

BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 19:50

Ben Bradshaw seems to be saying the ERG are not fans and there seems to be a bit a split about whether to abstain, accept or vote against in the ERG ranks.

Ben Bradshaw

@BenPBradshaw
Chaos in Commons as ERG shout “no” to revised Cooper amendment which just repeats what May promised yesterday. ERG co-leader Francois mouths “what the f*k”. Most Tories voting for it. ERG it seems split. #BrexitShambles

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:50

502ayes to 20noes

So I think that says we will be definitely asking for an extension...

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Littlespaces · 27/02/2019 19:51

502 majority for COOPER Amendment that 'MP's should vote on whether to rule out no-deal and delay Brexit if WA is rejected'.

That is huge.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:51

The HoC has decided it needs more time to put off deciding Confused

Littlespaces · 27/02/2019 19:51

Sorry cross post

Littlespaces · 27/02/2019 19:53

Mind you Macron is opposed to extension if there is no good reason.

So we might not be granted one!

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:53

Ball moves to the EU to decide the terms they will let us have an extension.

It's when they say we MUST take part in EP elections that we all roll about on the floor rocking.

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:53

Only 20 No votes is extrordinary Shock
The ERG melting away to leave just a batshit hardcore

502 MPs want to actively avoid going over the cliff

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:54

I see this as positive but I'm not counting chickens

BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 19:54

So now we just have to wait and see how long an extension we will be asking for and what we're going to do with it. A couple of months seems pointless to me if we're just going to continue messing about.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:54

I see this as positive but I'm not counting chickens