Westminstenders: May's Deal or No Deal

[RedToothBrush]

Tonight: Votes on Amendments after May's Stitch-Up Promise which might nerf the crucial Cooper-Boles amendment as its now deemed 'unnecessary'. I think voting starts very shortly. (They are just summing up now)

A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

Corbyn's amendment. You can ignore. Its going to fail.

The SNPs amendment should in theory pass, but with the vote on the 13th March and the government whip, it might fail today.

Cooper-Letwin (or Cooper-Boles whichever you prefer) needs to pass to ensure May can't worm her way out of the current timetable but it looks unlikely to pass. If it does it would come into effect on the 13th March.

Costa's amendment is interesting as he was forced to resign in order to table it (and protect his parents who are EU citz) even though the government have now backed his amendment. His speech was striking in how he stressed it was about people not party politics.

Looking like Spelman has been withdrawn. So possible there will be no vote on it, as May has promised a vote on extension on the 14th March.

The battle now turns to how long the (almost inevitable) a50 extension will be.

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
Its still unlikely to pass.

Which would lead to Cooper-Boles coming into effect (if it passes) though it now has effectively been accepted by May though she might renege.

We now face a vote rejecting no deal on March 13th. Which should ban no deal.

This makes the all important vote effectively on March 14th which will be about the extension. The detail and amendments on this are important and will affect what happens next.

March 29th is probably no longer important as we won't be leaving then.

If we only are able to get a short extension (which the EU might refuse and insist on a longer one! But I doubt it) then the end of April begining of May is crucial. If we don't pass the legislation to take part in EU elections then May can dictate to the HoC and force her deal through as the only alternative to No Deal.

The EU elections fall on May 23-26.

The new parliament starts on the July 1st. This is now effectively the cliff edge if May has her way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Abbreviation thread.

PMK

@Hazard I don’t think the SNP are particularly well liked

BUT the 2 amendments were different. And the Tories are not quite ready to vote against the govt in such a way yet (big high 5 for Ken clarke through)

That may come though depending how it plays out.

Oo look its a DUP style bribe.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/27/may-to-offer-workers-rights-pledges-to-gain-labour-brexit-support?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true
May to offer workers' rights pledges to gain Labour Brexit support
Prime minister expected to offer greater guarantees, including over future EU rules

The fund was intended for 26 of the 38 “local enterprise partnerships” and none of it would go to London. Regions such as the Black Country, Greater Manchester and other Midlands regions, for example, Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, were likely to get the most significant funding, according to the Sun.

My erg mp abstained too.

Fucker.

We won’t get any funding here. My MP is supporting the WA.
He is very career orientated..........

Protect EU citizens’ rights – GOES THROUGH ON THE NOD

Good news for both E27 and UK expats

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/27/from-a-labour-deal-to-a-jobs-fund-amendments-to-third-brexit-motion



The amendment of the Conservative backbencher Alberto Costa has drawn the most cross-party support.

It calls on the government to implement the part of the withdrawal agreement that includes citizens’ rights at “the earliest opportunity” regardless of the outcome of negotiations.

The government has accepted this amendment after Costa resigned and it was passed without a general division – or “on the nod”.

Lots of the Independents abstained?
WHY?

Steve hawkes @ steve_hawkes
^Brexiteers say their vote was a marker against Cooper - and 'Remainers'
"Why would we vote for her interpretation of the PM's words"^

Claim Tory whips were in utter confusion as they didn't expect Cooper to move her amendment.

Bill Cash: "The Prime Minister was corralled into this moment so I just thought it was a time when backbenchers could say ‘No.’”

“Everyone understood that Cooper wasn’t going to move her amendment, whatever motivated her motivated me the other way."

Amazing!

Cooper just sprang a blinder by the look of it!

And no one knew which way they were supposed to be voting cos no one has told them!!!!!

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
Tory MPs were so confused during Cooper amendment that even the Prime Minister had to ask a govt whip which way to vote, says witness

crying with laughter

Oh my. I'm dying!

My crap MP abstained.
Also confused why the tiggers abstained?

You know, I am starting to like Cooper. She is sane and appears to have ladyballs.

Sooo.... that money for Local Enterprise Partnerships.... is that essentially and effectively re-creating the old regional development agencies that were abolished when Tories took power as ineffective 'quangos'???

Oh it potentially gets better

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
David Davis voted for the Cooper amendment according to Commons Votes

Deliberate or was he just confused?

Steven Swinford @steven_swinford
Big statement from Eurosceptics tonight - 108 Tory MPs effectively rebelled against 3-line whip

88 Tory MPS - predominantly Brexiteers - did not vote on Govt backed Cooper amendment

20 Tory MPs voted against

Boris Johnson, Dom Raab and Rees-Mogg all among abstentions

Well, I'm baffled that my Tory, in-with-the-ERG, MP voted 'aye'. That's the very last vote I expected from him!

What was the wording of the question?

The 20 noes

Lucy allan
John barron
Bob blackman
William cash
Rehman chishti
David tc davies
Philip davies
Richard drax
Phillip hollobone
Gareth Johnson
Esther McVey
Nigel mills
Anne Marie morris
Tom pursglove
Henry smith
Bob stewart
Desmond swayne
Robert syms
Michael tomlinson
Martin vickers

Some notorious names on that list!

May to offer workers' rights pledges to gain Labour Brexit support

She's already tried this once and all the MPs and unions she approached basically said they didn't believe or trust her so she could sod off.

The amendment WAS backed by the government and a three line whip in place.

So ergers who voted for it were loyal to May and the party.

Maybe the key to halting brexit is to confuse MPs.

Did Tm seriously have to ask which way to vote??

Question: why are they whipped? Are they not supposed to make up they're own minds?

The only Tigger I see who either abstained or was absent is Heidi Allen - no idea why she wasn't yes

The other independent abstainers aren't Tiggers, as afar as I can see, e.g. Frank Field, Kate Hoey

And I missed the earlier news that one of Labour's most repellent MPs Chris Williamson has been suspended!

does a little dance

Gosh he's one of the most horrible of all the MPs on the HoC.

This pleases me.

David Davis voted for the deal accidentally.
So truly in character.

He has a whole waffly piece in the DailyFail about leaving No-deal on the table and not delaying.
Oh and we still must not let the Europeans know what we are doing. No problem with this one, nobody knows.

Ross Kempsall @rosskempsell
Confusion tonight - David Davis voted for Cooper, so did DUP’s Gavin Robinson - both look like errors - reports of clash between Chief Whip and minister in lobby, Chris Grayling in Labour lobby on Corbyn amdt then reversed. Tory MP tells me “whips were looking very stressed”

Haha brilliant

Corbyn to push for new referendum! Wahey. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47392018

Chris Williamson has served the labour party for years. He is a bit p'd off, like most of us.