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Westminstenders: May's Deal or No Deal

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 18:48

Tonight: Votes on Amendments after May's Stitch-Up Promise which might nerf the crucial Cooper-Boles amendment as its now deemed 'unnecessary'. I think voting starts very shortly. (They are just summing up now)

A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

Corbyn's amendment. You can ignore. Its going to fail.

The SNPs amendment should in theory pass, but with the vote on the 13th March and the government whip, it might fail today.

Cooper-Letwin (or Cooper-Boles whichever you prefer) needs to pass to ensure May can't worm her way out of the current timetable but it looks unlikely to pass. If it does it would come into effect on the 13th March.

Costa's amendment is interesting as he was forced to resign in order to table it (and protect his parents who are EU citz) even though the government have now backed his amendment. His speech was striking in how he stressed it was about people not party politics.

Looking like Spelman has been withdrawn. So possible there will be no vote on it, as May has promised a vote on extension on the 14th March.

The battle now turns to how long the (almost inevitable) a50 extension will be.

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
Its still unlikely to pass.

Which would lead to Cooper-Boles coming into effect (if it passes) though it now has effectively been accepted by May though she might renege.

We now face a vote rejecting no deal on March 13th. Which should ban no deal.

This makes the all important vote effectively on March 14th which will be about the extension. The detail and amendments on this are important and will affect what happens next.

March 29th is probably no longer important as we won't be leaving then.

If we only are able to get a short extension (which the EU might refuse and insist on a longer one! But I doubt it) then the end of April begining of May is crucial. If we don't pass the legislation to take part in EU elections then May can dictate to the HoC and force her deal through as the only alternative to No Deal.

The EU elections fall on May 23-26.

The new parliament starts on the July 1st. This is now effectively the cliff edge if May has her way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Abbreviation thread.

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SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:55

Sorry, wouldn't post then did it twice Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:56

If the EU have paid attention to how May reneges on any promise if the DUP / ERG snarl ....

but this vote might give her backbone to realise that there are only 20 would-be suicides / nationcides

wherearemychickens · 27/02/2019 19:57

That's the thing to be emailing my MP about now then? That we need to be making sure any legislation required domestically to take part in the EU elections is not dropped/abandoned by May, so we keep our options option.

bellinisurge · 27/02/2019 19:59

Thank you @RedToothBrush

Cuddlysnowleopard · 27/02/2019 19:59

First time venturing into these threads... although been lurking for months - could someone please explain who abstained? And the relevance of this? Thanks.

Sostenueto · 27/02/2019 20:00

Great win for Cooper. But TM getting her deal through may be a big possibility.

67chevvyimpala · 27/02/2019 20:02

So...which erg head bangers voted aye??

dreichuplands · 27/02/2019 20:03

Does this significantly reduce the chance of a no deal exit?

BestIsWest · 27/02/2019 20:04

Pmkp

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 27/02/2019 20:04

My head’s spinning!!! Can l confirm as I’ve sort of lost the plot!

Parliament have voted against leaving Europe without a deal? So no deal is off?🙏🤪

GeistohneGrenzen · 27/02/2019 20:04

pmk

Thanks RTB and good luck with the search 'n move Smile

Sostenueto · 27/02/2019 20:05

Was there over 100 abstentions on Cooper amendment?

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 20:05

Red, I still think you pack all your best protein products and luxury items. This is only just getting interesting.

Good question about the abstainers - anyone tweeted the list yet?

lonelyplanetmum · 27/02/2019 20:05

I know** the cusp of the thread coincidentally coincided with the votes at Westminster but...80+ posts in one hour!

🏅 🥇 🏅 to RTB

Cloudtree · 27/02/2019 20:06

Blimey I turn off the tv for one day to avoid getting distracted and everything has changed again. I can't keep up!

67chevvyimpala · 27/02/2019 20:08

I'll say it again....

red for PM!!

NoWordForFluffy · 27/02/2019 20:08

So, in words of very few syllables as I've had a long week at work already: what exactly does this mean?!

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 27/02/2019 20:08

Has Yvette Coopers amendment been passed? Someone please tell me if it has🙏

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 20:09

Yes cooper passed

DangermousesSidekick · 27/02/2019 20:10

The Cooper amendment has been passed almost unanimously (just 20 against), but I'm not entirely sure of its significance.

BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 20:10

Parliament have voted against leaving Europe without a deal? So no deal is off?

It's postponed, but it could still happen following an extension.

KitTheCat · 27/02/2019 20:10

Does this mean no deal is off?

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 27/02/2019 20:11

So glad it got through!

Whatthefoxgoingon · 27/02/2019 20:11

Yes it has

DangermousesSidekick · 27/02/2019 20:14

The SNP amendment trying to stop No Deal was rejected. So by my reading (I'm sure someone will correct if I'm wrong), No Deal is still a possibility.

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