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Westminstenders: May's Deal or No Deal

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 18:48

Tonight: Votes on Amendments after May's Stitch-Up Promise which might nerf the crucial Cooper-Boles amendment as its now deemed 'unnecessary'. I think voting starts very shortly. (They are just summing up now)

A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

Corbyn's amendment. You can ignore. Its going to fail.

The SNPs amendment should in theory pass, but with the vote on the 13th March and the government whip, it might fail today.

Cooper-Letwin (or Cooper-Boles whichever you prefer) needs to pass to ensure May can't worm her way out of the current timetable but it looks unlikely to pass. If it does it would come into effect on the 13th March.

Costa's amendment is interesting as he was forced to resign in order to table it (and protect his parents who are EU citz) even though the government have now backed his amendment. His speech was striking in how he stressed it was about people not party politics.

Looking like Spelman has been withdrawn. So possible there will be no vote on it, as May has promised a vote on extension on the 14th March.

The battle now turns to how long the (almost inevitable) a50 extension will be.

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
Its still unlikely to pass.

Which would lead to Cooper-Boles coming into effect (if it passes) though it now has effectively been accepted by May though she might renege.

We now face a vote rejecting no deal on March 13th. Which should ban no deal.

This makes the all important vote effectively on March 14th which will be about the extension. The detail and amendments on this are important and will affect what happens next.

March 29th is probably no longer important as we won't be leaving then.

If we only are able to get a short extension (which the EU might refuse and insist on a longer one! But I doubt it) then the end of April begining of May is crucial. If we don't pass the legislation to take part in EU elections then May can dictate to the HoC and force her deal through as the only alternative to No Deal.

The EU elections fall on May 23-26.

The new parliament starts on the July 1st. This is now effectively the cliff edge if May has her way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Abbreviation thread.

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SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:25

I don't get the point of all these votes that carry no weight

Hasenstein · 27/02/2019 19:25

PMK. And hoping all goes well with the house move, Red.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:29

Ffs

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:29

And there we are, party shenigans

ayes288 noes 324

cooper boles not moved

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whymewhynow · 27/02/2019 19:29

What happened to the Kyle-Wilson amendment that supported voting for the WA and then ratifying it with a referendum?

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:31

Was never going to be today. Its been muted for 12th March.

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BiglyBadgers · 27/02/2019 19:31

I don't get the point of all these votes that carry no weight

I think it just makes them feel important and like they are doing something while not having to actually commit to doing anything.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/02/2019 19:32

Christ on a bike. For about five minutes I thought I understood what was happening re the Cooper amendment but now there’s division? Confused

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 19:32

Good luck with the house move, Red.

L1minal · 27/02/2019 19:33

No, they are voting on the Cooper amendment. Basically to reinforce May's 'promise'.

DangermousesSidekick · 27/02/2019 19:33

So is Corbyn going to do what he said he would and call for a second referendum? Or is he too busy sacking long-standing councillors and MPs for saying that the anti-semitism witchhunt has gone too far?

I guess I've already tested your lot's thoughts on accusations of Labour anti-semitism, but really... Chris Williamson (Derby MP) has now been suspended over this. Do Labour really think that the way they are turning on their own is in anyway attractive to voters? This whole country needs to stop the extreme levels of thought policing and get back to considered discussions. Somehow we have to break the media soundbite influence too.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:33

What are they voting on now? Small ones were distracting me

L1minal · 27/02/2019 19:34

Because - surprise, surprise - they don't trust her.

Littlespaces · 27/02/2019 19:34

SNP Amendment to rule out 'No Deal' defeated.

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:35

Cross posted. Got it Smile

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 19:36

Bloody hell, I thought Chope had been carted off by the men in white coats. He's popped up as a teller for amendment F.

Quintella · 27/02/2019 19:36

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:36

Thanks, red 💐

That's great news about your house sale 😀
I hope you quickly find the house you want and that all the paperwork goes smoothly

Are you sure you can't pack another few boxes for your stockpile - your new place will presumably be bigger ?
And it's difficult / unpleasant to use up 50 rolls of loo paper quickly

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:37

Are there any men over the age of 35 with a full head of hair?

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2019 19:38

No, they are voting on the Cooper amendment. Basically to reinforce May's 'promise'.

I'm confused. Thankfully parlyapp:

PARLY @ParlyApp
Commons now voting on the Cooper amendment...

PARLY @ParlyApp
DUP appear to be abstaining on the Cooper amendment along with some Tory MPs

This is cracking news...

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AutumnCrow · 27/02/2019 19:38

Are there any men over the age of 35 with a full head of hair?

Michael Fabricant?

BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:39

Boris - if that blond thatch is real

NoWordForFluffy · 27/02/2019 19:40

My dad has a full head of hair. But I guess he doesn't count in relation to your question, Sparkly?!

BigChocFrenzy · 27/02/2019 19:40

Boris - if that blond thatch is real

SparklySneakers · 27/02/2019 19:40

Who? The bird's eye view is quite illuminating in to how widespread male pattern baldness is.