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Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2019 21:20

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

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Motheroffourdragons · 18/02/2019 10:50

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 10:50

Tory Fibs @ToryFibs
The company that provides a vehicle for the 7 MPs leaving Labour today was founded 33 days ago. Think about that carefully, and reflect upon the last nearly 5 weeks of false outrage & staged confrontations.

Crucially, the company the 7 MPs join today was set up 13 days before Jeremy Corbyn tabled his amendment to hold a 2nd Referendum on a Labour Brexit Deal. We wondered why they were so livid when Jeremy did this, now we know. It deprived them of their chief excuse for leaving

Well thats one way of framing it...

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BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2019 10:53

I think I have said before that if we have an election now I would anticipate a much higher number of independents winning. Discontent with the main parties makes it inevitable. An interesting situation in a parliament that is (literally) built on a two party model.

ColdNeverBotheredMeAnyway · 18/02/2019 10:55

I heard Laura K predicting this a few days ago on Brexitcast. She said that the new group are then likely to put forward a bill on 27th Feb which could lead to revocation of Art50, and at that time a number of cabinet members will jump ship and vote with them...

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 10:55

Re: @ TheIndGroup

Tom Barton @tombarton
Two tweets.
Following seven people.
5,577 followers.
That's quite some ratio. Especially given they've only existed for about 40 minutes..

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 10:59

Make that 9873 followers...

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DGRossetti · 18/02/2019 11:01

5,577 followers

10.5K now ...

Cherrypi · 18/02/2019 11:02

I liked their speeches and honest answers to the questions. I've followed them. Can't see Tories joining them though. They always put party first.

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:03

Steven Swinford @Steven_Swinford
Fair to say @peoplesvote_uk is not overly enthused by Labour MPs quitting to form independent group.

'Some MPs will have own reasons for wanting to resign from a particular political party but we are still working towards securing the support of Labour front bench.'

Hannah Al-Othman @HannahAlOthman
Chuka decisively rules out joining with Lib Dems: “there will be no mergers.”

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farages-brexit-party-may-relocate-after-malicious-trolling-on-tripadvisor-page-a4069371.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1550487200
Nigel Farage's Brexit Party may relocate after 'malicious' trolling on TripAdvisor page

Snigger

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DGRossetti · 18/02/2019 11:04

If every follower was £1 ...

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:05

Hannah Al-Othman @HannahAlOthman
Ann Coffey confirms that the group will be trying to actively recruit MPs from other parties to join them.

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DGRossetti · 18/02/2019 11:05

Probably a good time for a new thread Grin ?

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:07

Owen Jones @OwenJones84
Oh wow, how much dosh did the splitters waste on a PR outfit? 'The Independent Group'? Seriously? It looks like an insurance company #LabourSplit

12.4k followers.

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:09

Tom Harwood @tomhfh
Labour now have 10 fewer MPs than Gordon Brown won in 2010.

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boldlygoingsomewhere · 18/02/2019 11:10

Owen Jones sounds very bitter!

I liked their speeches - if I had one of them representing my constituency, I’d vote for them.

prettybird · 18/02/2019 11:10

Wee bit of relevant light relief in the interim Grin

Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?
prettybird · 18/02/2019 11:12

Possible new thread title: "And then there were seven how many?"

SusanWalker · 18/02/2019 11:14

Jeez. Had a bad night with ds last night, get up late, make coffee and put sky news on, and wow!

I do think more people might jump. Labour chap on sky saying it all bears thinking about. if it leads to PR then I would be happy. Our whole political system is broken.

67chevvyimpala · 18/02/2019 11:15

Cant find the website

Motheroffourdragons · 18/02/2019 11:16

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:17

Possible new thread title: "And then there were seven how many?"

Sadly too late with the suggestion.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3511198-Westminstenders-Distract-and-divert-Just-close-your-eyes?watched=1

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:17

Cant find the website

It doesn't work.

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prettybird · 18/02/2019 11:18

The website is https://www.theindependent.group but it is not loading - presumably overloading with curious pundits (both friend and foe).

Cherrypi · 18/02/2019 11:19

It worked earlier. It's probably crashed.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 18/02/2019 11:19

It doesn't help. If A50 is extended no Tories will join the 7. If Brexit rumbles on for 6,12,18 months the 7 fade from the limelight.

If a GE is called and Tories win a majority, Corbyn is outed will the 7 rejoin Labour? And how would another 5 years of Tory rule help those affected by austerity?