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Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2019 21:20

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

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Sostenueto · 18/02/2019 07:36

Do these MPs who want to resign from both parties think they won't be tainted by this f*up called brexit if they do resign?
Forming a new party? They could call it the yellow mellow partyGrin. Do they think their resignations would make any difference? Nope, not one iota. The only resignations that would is TM and JC.Hmm

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/02/2019 07:37

So, if the shipment can't be delivered it needs to be sent back? Which company is going to risk that now we know our ports won't be able to cope?

Sostenueto · 18/02/2019 07:38
Sostenueto · 18/02/2019 07:40

And the fun continues. History will look upon this f* up with utter disbelief!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/02/2019 07:48

I do sometimes ponder how this will look in the history books. I think the chapter will simply be called '!'

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 07:48

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
Chris Leslie also not commenting on whether he is about to quit Labour after being approached several times tonight

Morning!!!

Every morning for months is going to be like this. Just full of crap you don't want hear.

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1tisILeClerc · 18/02/2019 07:57

Morning all!
Spanish Navy telling UK commercial vessels to leave Gibraltar waters is an interesting start to the day (reported on SKY).
I wonder where that is going, although interesting comment by the British stating their right to be there is an international treaty. The fact it was mentioned as such is the (vaguely) interesting part particularly as breaking the Belfast Agreement is an 'International treaty'.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/02/2019 08:04

Yes, I posted the link below 1tisI

bellinisurge · 18/02/2019 08:06

Yes. If we start picking and choosing which international agreements we need to bother with, so will others.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/02/2019 08:06

I know the Spanish Navy have form for this kind of thing but it does feel we are just awaiting something to kick off atm.

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2019 08:06

I do sometimes ponder how this will look in the history books. I think the chapter will simply be called '!'

I wonder quite a lot what my daughter will be learning at school about this period in ten years time. Even more so what the TV series will look like in 50 years.

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 08:07

Shashank Joshi @shashj
"Japanese officials familiar w/ Tokyo’s bilateral talks with UK said there had been growing frustration w/ the British side ... officials say there have been several occasions when British negotiators have come to the table w/out the necessary specialists"

What could possibly go wrong...

And I hate to say this. Will we be around in ten years to look at what history judged?

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BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2019 08:09

I know the Spanish Navy have form for this kind of thing but it does feel we are just awaiting something to kick off atm.

It does feel a bit different when we have a defence secretary that screwed up a trade meeting by threatening gunboats in the China sea. One thing Spain getting a big bolshy in normal times but this is anything but. It seems like there are at least a few in government who would love a nice war to distract us all from the mess they are making.

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2019 08:10

And I hate to say this. Will we be around in ten years to look at what history judged?

You know me, ever the optimist.

Tanith · 18/02/2019 08:12

I see there was trouble at a pro-Brexit march yesterday, yet they seem so keen to stop the rest of us from exercising our democratic right to protest peacefully:

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47270935

bellinisurge · 18/02/2019 08:15

Pissing off the British plays nicely to the home crowd at a difficult time nationally in Spain.
Serves us right if we fuck over GFA.

SparklySneakers · 18/02/2019 08:15

Morning all. Heading off to read the news mainline kitkats

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 08:21

Tamara Cohen @tamcohen
Confirmed: announcement by Labour MPs today “in relation to the future of British politics”...

Kevin Schofield@polhomeeditor
Er ... wasn't that embargoed?

Johnmoorcraft @ moorcraftjohn
I’d take that up with @bbclaurak who was the first I saw tweet it.

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
For once, rumour mill is right - event mid morning about the 'future of british politics' - that can mean only one thing - a small group of Labour MP s is leaving -

Not clear yet if this if it's a new party, or just a small group who'll sit independently, or more crucially, how many will follow them after - details to follow mid morning

This could be start of grand realignment - Brexit breaking our political structures - or it could explode into nothing - many in Labour Party will be absolutely furious with them, but a huge and serious decision for those who have taken it - more later

If I type 'la' into search on twitter 'Labour split' auto pops up as the top possible result.

Looks like it's on...

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 08:23

James Plumb @ jamesrplumb
Could expect between four and eight resignations from the Labour Party, in the upcoming statement “relating to the future of British politics".

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 08:24

Matt Foster @ mattlpfoster
BREAKING: All embargoes.

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1tisILeClerc · 18/02/2019 08:26

Comment in the Grauniad:
{Britain needs a day of reckoning. Brexit will provide it
Nesrine Malik
It’s a country paralysed, polarised and falling apart, yet deluded about its global status. A humbling must come to pass}

I am sure I have been saying this for months, not that I really want to claim it that much but interesting to see it 'out there'.

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 08:29

How is Gavin going to pull this off? That's China, Gibraltar, Norway, NI and London he has allocated personnel to.

Lucy Fisher @ LOS_Fisher
NEW: Britain is set to boost its defence of the Arctic with an annual deployment of 1,000 commandos and new P8 submarine-hunting spy planes, amid an escalating threat from Russia in the region. 1/4

MoD will almost double the number of Royal Marines sent annually to Norwegian base Bardufoss, 200 miles within the Arctic Circle, up from 600 commandos this winter. Apaches have also been sent for first time this month, as part of new Arctic strategy. 2/4

Arctic is set to become more contested in coming years as access to oil, natural gas and minerals - as well as a strategically important commercial shipping route - is unlocked by the receding ice cap. 3/4

UK is training at Bardufoss with Norwegians, Americans, Dutch, Germans and others. Major uptick in Russian activity noted in region, with old Soviet bases in High North re-opened and escalation in submarine activity. 4/4

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 08:32

www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-47213212?__twitter_impression=true
Brexit: Will Brits living in the EU still get healthcare?

And the answer if there is no deal is....

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Cherrypi · 18/02/2019 08:34

Interesting about the Scottish referendum being manipulated too. That hadn't occurred to me.

Juells · 18/02/2019 08:37

It's completely unfair to judge people on their looks.... but whenever I see either Jeremy Hunt or Gavin Williamson being interviewed I'm distracted by their squirrelly eyes :( GW just looks too young to be in such a serious position, like he doesn't havea the life experience to handle it :(