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Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2019 21:20

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

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RedToothBrush · 17/02/2019 20:46

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
Whispers tonight that the Labour splitters will move tomorrow. Chuka Umunna’s team are not denying he is about to quit (they did deny when asked last week).

Just bloody get on with it then!!!

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BiglyBadgers · 17/02/2019 21:00

Whisper, whisper....

So now we can all spend tomorrow talking about whether labour are going to split rather than what the fuck is happening to our country. Hmm

NoWordForFluffy · 17/02/2019 21:00

Christ almighty. It's so painful observing all these MPs claiming they may or may not resign. Either do it or don't, but stop saying it as a threat, as it means utterly jack shit unless it actually happens.

It's like trying to cajole a small child into doing something which they came up with as an idea, but are irritatingly recalcitrant about actually doing.

Does anyone watch The Secret Life of 4 / 5 year olds? This saga has a similar air to it.

borntobequiet · 17/02/2019 21:06

An extraordinary profile of Chris Grayling on R4 today.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002l0f
I was pretty much WTF? at every new piece of info. Great praise for him from Liam Fox, what a surprise...

RedToothBrush · 17/02/2019 21:23

Does anyone watch The Secret Life of 4 / 5 year olds?

I can reason with my 4 year old thank you very much. He's articulate, funny and exceptionally logical in his approach to life.

He likes dinosaurs and when he's being one, he's much more pleasant than any dinosaur of an MP.

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67chevvyimpala · 17/02/2019 21:26

I was about to say thats s huge dis service to most 4 year olds I know!

RedToothBrush · 17/02/2019 21:27

Reuters Top News @ reuters
^Germany warns it will stop extradition of its citizens to UK after Brexit: FT
mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1Q60Q2?__twitter_impression=true

How do you spell 'hmn rghts'?

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 17/02/2019 21:35

Not sure if this has been posted yet - Tory govt votes to remove fundamental human rights

BigChocFrenzy · 17/02/2019 22:14

Yep, EU countries may stop extradition to the UK of citizens of all member countries, not just their own

BigChocFrenzy · 17/02/2019 22:20

So MPs voted against keeping the European Charter of Fundamental Rights in UK law Hmm

I wonder if they wanted to remove / weaken specific rights, to bring them down to the sometimes lower UK level,
or if the problem was that the word "European"

Note that Grieve and fellow Tory "moderates" backed down again over this and accepted non-binding assurances of nebulous future "somethings"

prettybird · 17/02/2019 22:30

That was a year ago Sad

I remember going to a seminar where Joanna Cherry warned about the Government's plans to withdraw from the Charter (think it was in November 17) and lo that's exactly what they did SadAngry

TalkinPeece · 17/02/2019 22:46

Brexit defined .....
No matter how much dancing around the UK does ...

Icantreachthepretzels · 17/02/2019 22:47

Yes - this is old news. I'm not sure they would have backed down if it was happening now. But it's too late - our human rights, as enshrined in EU law, have been lost. All the more reason not to tell the people who voted to let this happen that we want them to pass the W.A and trust them to negotiate the future deal.

All the more reason to march.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/02/2019 22:52

I don't trust them to be capable of doing anything else to stop No Deal
It's too late

Ellie56 · 17/02/2019 23:44

Apologies if this has been posted before. Macron has not made any concessions.

"These (reports) are without any foundation ... The French position is that of the European Union: the withdrawal agreement is not renegotiable," an official from Macron's Elysee office said.

www.independent.ie/business/brexit/france-denies-british-media-reports-that-macron-offered-concessions-on-irish-backstop-37824474.html

prettybird · 18/02/2019 00:00

Colour me surprised Grin

....the fact that there was nothing , nada , zip in either the French press or the Irish press was a wee bit of a clue that it was nothing but Brexiter Daily Mail and the other Brexit supporting papers that jumped on the bandwagon wishful thinking Hmm

prettybird · 18/02/2019 00:01

.....or stirring, to continue the "nasty bullying EU" trope Hmm

NoWordForFluffy · 18/02/2019 05:53

Just my 4 year old that's an utter pain in the arse then?!

mathanxiety · 18/02/2019 06:03

New law sneaked through Parliament to allow security forces to stop and search any person or vehicle near the border region, also to detain them

So how does that work for an RoI citizen then ? And how does it square with the GFA ? Or is it a trojan law intended to provoke a dust up in the ECJ? DGR

Or is it a provocation designed to inflame dissident Republican groups in NI into making violent gestures in time to cause DUP support to solidify and result in holding shaky seats in an upcoming GE?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/02/2019 07:05

Some interesting double standards on international law when thinking of Gibralter and the GFA. Although this shows why we need to stay in UN, for now at least, to protect our backs. Wonder if we will still say that if we end up with a boarder and break international law?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/02/2019 07:11

A report on FB:
Accuses Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s co-founder and chief executive, of contempt for parliament in refusing three separate demands for him to give evidence, instead sending junior employees unable to answer the committee’s questions.

Warns British electoral law is unfit for purpose and vulnerable to interference by hostile foreign actors, including agents of the Russian government attempting to discredit democracy.

Calls on the British government to establish an independent investigation into “foreign influence, disinformation, funding, voter manipulation and the sharing of data” in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, the 2016 EU referendum and the 2017 general election.

lonelyplanetmum · 18/02/2019 07:21

Hi Lonely(!)

That report! Jeez. A serious government committee report that finds after 18 months investigation that:

•British electoral law is unfit for purpose.
• our elections are vulnerable to interference by hostile foreign actors, including agents of the Russian government.

•Calls on the government to establish an independent investigation into “foreign influence, disinformation, funding, voter manipulation and the sharing of data” in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, the 2016 EU referendum and the 2017 general election.

What more does it take? This isn't paranoid speculation - it's the results of 18 month's serious investigation.

lonelyplanetmum · 18/02/2019 07:22

Sorry I know I repeated your post but it really is worthy of repetition.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 18/02/2019 07:26

Morning lonely !
Yes, about as close to a Mueller investigation as we are going to get I suspect. The measured response suggests FB knows it is bigger than govt now. Interesting about Germany threatening a 20mil fine and it working though, seems to be the only way to get these huge companies to comply. The 60k fine on Leave was ridiculous when the overspend was 2mil.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/02/2019 07:32

Morning!

This isn't especially comforting in the document that plopped into my inbox this morning.
"Additional guidance on declaration requirements for shipments of radioactive sources in the event of no deal will be published before the UK leaves the EU."

from:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/shipping-radioactive-waste-and-spent-fuel-after-a-no-deal-brexit/shipping-radioactive-waste-and-spent-fuel-after-a-no-deal-brexit--2