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Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2019 21:20

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:20

Steven Swinford @Steven_Swinford
Labour wants the seven MPs who have quit to hold by-elections - party sources highlighting examples of Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless, saying it is the 'right and democratic' thing to do

But they can't make them. The Independent Group will be around for some time to come

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:27

Jennifer Williams @JenWilliamsMEN
I ask one MP ‘why today’, and they say they think it was ‘cock up’ as much as anything else; Feb 14 didn’t turn out to be the platform they needed. Thinks a full on new party would be more likely if others follow once Brexit is won or lost

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/02/2019 11:32

When the SDP was formed - when nearly 30 MPs quit Labour - they didn't resign their seats

imo, the last thing we need atm is a string of byelections distracting the main parties

  • they spend little enough time as it is, focusing on policies

The MPs should first concentrate on avoiding No Deal, maybe even revoke
and then when when that is over, if the situation is reasonably stable, they can consider having byelections

In fact, if Brexit happens there might well be a GE fairly soon after, as the govt might collapse.
So no point in having byelections so close to that and making their constituents vote twice

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:33

Seven.

Soon to be eight?

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DGRossetti · 18/02/2019 11:36

If A50 is extended

We can discount that fairy story. We're more likely to see the second coming.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/02/2019 11:37

7 is far too few to make a breakthrough - they need more MPs to jon them, including Tory moderates

Maybe all those on both sides who think the hard right / hard left are likely to deselect them, or are just tired of their toxic local party

The SDP had nearly 30 MPs - but only Tory joined them - and formed an alliance with the then Liberal Party.
However, FPTP screwed them badly at the GE:
only 2% fewer votes than Labour, but they only got 23 seats !

BigChocFrenzy · 18/02/2019 11:39

A50 extension is certainly possible if the EU see it has advantages for them

However, the time has almost run out for the HoC to take any action that makes this likely

Peregrina · 18/02/2019 11:44

And when Shaun Woodward, the one time Tory MP for Witney joined Labour, he didn't resign either. This must have been the only time that Witney was represented by Labour. Cameron got in the next time.

DGRossetti · 18/02/2019 11:44

A50 extension is certainly possible if the EU see it has advantages for them However, the time has almost run out for the HoC to take any action that makes this likely

No, time has run out. It did ages ago.

Anyone expecting an orderly withdrawal has been played, gamed, fooled, whatever.

Anyone investing anything more than they can afford in expectation of a deal is wasting precious energy.

Ellie56 · 18/02/2019 11:54

Nigel Farage's Brexit Party may relocate after 'malicious' trolling on TripAdvisor page

"Breakfast means breakfast" Grin Grin

Sostenueto · 18/02/2019 11:58

What real difference does these 7 resignations make? Absolutely none. The Tories won't follow suit. They definitely have no guts. They are all talk and no trousers. They are probably looking at the 7 and laughing their heads off. They want labour to split to take the focus away from their own party. Its an utter farce all of it. It does not solve brexit, it solves nothing.Tick, tock, tick, tock.

PreppaPig · 18/02/2019 12:02

Killing myself laughing at the idea of Ian Murray joining the independent group! I think this will be a hard sell to any Scottish Labour MP (imagines them tying themselves in knots trying to justify being for independence but not that independence!)

Anyway, I think this is all a waste of time and pointless. What will it change? Nothing! I also think they should have some principles and actually resign - they were elected on a Labour party ticket which they now disagree with.

I also note how they haven't formed an actual political party, handily having to avoid having any concrete policies. Hmm

twattymctwatterson · 18/02/2019 12:12

Ian Murray is one of the best Labour MPs in Scotland. I'd be delighted to see him break away.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/02/2019 12:12

They are basically "none of the above"

and it would be great in this clusterfuck to have moderate voices rejecting the old toxic politics and putting forward new ideas

Not forming a new party gives each MP the freedom to be fully independent in their views & actions

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/02/2019 12:20

I go out for one morning and missed the denouement.

Please let some Tories have courage to do the same. Please.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/02/2019 12:30

y y, kitten
Come on Soubs !
Come on Grieve !
Where are those ovaries & balls ?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/02/2019 12:34

cummon! Let's get some actual cross party working together, Lib Dem's say they are looking forward to working with them.

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 12:40

Iain Dale @IainDale
There will be many Tories rejoicing at the Labour split. I wonder if they’ll be so jubilant when the same thing happens in the Tory Party as it may we’ll do. I can think of half a dozen Tory MPs who might well go the same way.

Tim Montgomerie @montie
Iain might be right but beyond Brexit (if there is ever a beyond) I see possible Tory unity. Lab’s splits are multiple: Brexit, anti-Semitism; anti-Americanism; attitudes to capitalism; to union militancy; balancing civil rights and order; Trident...

I disagree tbh... there are differences. But are they as big as Labours? Probably not.

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Peregrina · 18/02/2019 12:54

The only Tories I could see splitting are Soubry and Grieve, because I think their parties are considering de-selecting them. If that's the case, then they might as well jump ship.

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