Remainers will be responsible for a no deal Brexit

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When Brexit happened, it seemed a shame and a mistake. As the deadline looms without any deal or consensus, however, it seems pretty clear to me that a no deal outcome will be at least partly the fault of those Remainers who have sought to catastrophise/sabotage any negotiations from the outset - in the vain hope of forcing a second vote. The latter was (IMO) never on the cards and Remainers have completely overplayed their hands, making their own worst nightmares come true. Where some level of conciliation/compromise might have led to a better & closer deal with Europe, instead we are left with a stalemate and looming no deal.

I’m not British, btw, these are my observations as an outsider.

Most of the comments above are failing to respond this point altogether. It’s interestimg.

So it's like asking a Brexiteer anything then ?

Welcome to our world

Op you are spot on. Compromise is the name of the game. Tusk was treated with glee, Junker is determined to punish. A no deal will punish Europe dreadfully and yet there is not an inch. Junker is behaving exactly as the autocrat leavers wanted to get away from. The EU invented the big stick that is NI backstop. No one likes Mays deal but no one seems to be able to come up with a plan. Both sides in parliament are digging their heels in BOTH sides. To keep harping on about it all being the fault of Leavers is crackers. The euro is crippling half the members in inflexibility. I have never come across a more one-sided forum on the subject than MN. Even the newspapers manage a little-reasoned debate. All you get here is anti-Brexit abuse and crass language. And this from people who consider their choice was more educated and inclusive. I have yet to see a Remainer that can argue in an educated way why it is a good thing to be ruled by self serving autoctratic gravy train failed politicians . Please stop trotting out the same old. Remainers may not have voted for Brexit but they are determined it will be a disaster. Nose Face Cut

We are where we are because of May's desire to keep onside of the ERG and their ilk. And Corbyn's long-standing desire to leave.

Nonsense. The campaign for a second vote came about when it was clear TM was not going to get a deal her party was going to support - 'no deal' was known as 'hard Brexit' before it became clear that any deal that suited the ERG was no deal at all. It was a way of breaking the parliamentary deadlock. Before that Best for Britain and all that were campaigning to revoke article 50.

Tusk's comments about 'hell' were in direct reference to the NI issue and refer to those people who campaigned (illegally) for Brexit without thinking about how it could be done SAFELY - as in without violence breaking out at the border and people being killed. I don't think it's especially extreme to agree with him.

The EU invented the big stick that is NI backstop.

More bull.

The backstop was Theresa May's idea.

Who triggered Article 50 with no fucking plan?
Who drew the red lines of no CU, no SM, no FoM, no payments to EU budgets to make it the hardest possible Brexit?
Who has avoided cross party involvement in order to keep it a right wing Tory Brexit in a last ditch attempt to keep the party together?
Who has been kicking the can down the road for months?

I'll give you a clue - it's sod all to do with anyone that isn't in Parliament, and almost entirely due to May appeasing the right wing Tory nutjobs.

Leavers have said en masse that 'no deal' is what they voted for, haven't they? So if remainers are the ones who are 'to blame' for 'no deal' , surely leavers will be thanking them. #confused

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To keep harping on about it all being the fault of Leavers is crackers.

Seriously? It's your circus, take responsibility for your own monkeys for once.

It's all so tiresomely predictable. Project Reality gets closer and all the idiotic leavers start trying to shift the blame. Led by their patron saint, David 'some big boys did it and ran away' Davis.

Led by their patron saint, David 'some big boys did it and ran away' Davis.

We caught an old QI yesterday ("Lying") and heard the tale of the gorilla that could lie .. he ripped the sink off the wall, and then - in sign language - proceeded to blame the cat.

www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/8t1koy/koko_the_gorilla_once_ripped_a_sink_out_of_the/

Just to show the level DD is working at.

What TerryPratchett said. Spot on. My son is 10 and has autism with definite PDA tendencies. Very marked. Part of this is that he is simply incapable, for now, of accepting that the consequences of his actions are entirely his fault. It occurred to me that he's very similar to the Tory government and many leave voters in this, except they're adults and NT . . .

This reminds me of how the Lib Dems took all the blame, and a beating in the ballot box, for the Coalition government!

Ok so if your saying stalling and attempting to amend the deal will cause a No Deal don’t Hard Line Brexiters take the blame for refusing to budge and negotiate from their “moon on a stick” ideals?

It is NOT remainders standing outside parliament with “No Deal No Problem” banners is it?

I was fully expecting Remainers to start getting the blame when Brexit goes tits up, I wasn’t expecting it to start this early!

Exactly which remainers were on the UK side of the negotiating table for the agreement? Are you talking about May?

I think that if I were, for exa!ple, to organize a Xmas lunch for my office and (again, for example) to offer Indian or Chinese for said lunch. If 48 out of 100 wanted Indian and 52 wanted Chinese, I then decided that, As the (small majority) wanted chinese, not only would I organise a Chinese meal, if also insist that we all went to China to have it. That's not reasonable, is it?

But that's what s " no deal" brexit would bring.

A 4 percent majority is really going to decide our fate??? When the 52 per cent didn't know the terms we would be leaving under?? Really??

The fault lies with our government. The fucking idiots that call themselves MPs and in charge of our country.

They are a walking advert to not send your kids to private school.

How we are to ever trust them again I will never know.

I will never vote again. Fuck 'um.

How we are to ever trust them again I will never know

I don't think we trusted them before. That's part of the problem.

Who triggered Article 50 with no fucking plan?
Who drew the red lines of no CU, no SM, no FoM, no payments to EU budgets to make it the hardest possible Brexit?
Who has avoided cross party involvement in order to keep it a right wing Tory Brexit in a last ditch attempt to keep the party together?
Who has been kicking the can down the road for months?

Exactly!

NO DEAL - Completely fxxked
WA - Slow death unless we stay in Customs Union
Revoke - Sensible

So simplified. You wanted to leave, but you will blame the rest of us for you having no good plan or informed choice of how you would?

It's not up to remainers to provide reasonable debate. It's up to those that voted leave to have voted making an informed choice and nobody did that if nobody knew how it would happen.

And we don't just get to eat Chinese for Xmas Dinner user.

We get to eat Chinese forever.

{We get to eat Chinese forever.}
Sadly Liam's trade talks with China are off because a muppet (Williamson) said he was sending a warship to the South China Sea.
I know it was an example but you can see how well the hard Brexit management really haven't a clue.

It has all been said up thread.
But to reiterate the people who promoted leave and those who voted for it are responsible for us leaving, no one else.
There have been a number of compromises put forward by the Scottish government and others.
It is the government which is refusing to entertain a soft Brexit and a subsection of party of government that is pushing for a no deal Brexit.
The people who voted for this shit show need to stop blaming others and own it.

OP. Oh Op. Bless you. We are answering with specifics. The specifics of who is planning for Brexit in the govt and their allegiances.
Fuck this shit. I will not be blamed for the people who voted for, and planned (or didn’t plan) for this howling mess.

You’re a funny un.

I agree with a poster upthread (and to be fair with a lot of other posters)

I knew remainers would be blamed...its already started on some of the more recent threads

And i think that its the politicians fault...in every single way

You won. Get over it.