Remainers will be responsible for a no deal Brexit

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When Brexit happened, it seemed a shame and a mistake. As the deadline looms without any deal or consensus, however, it seems pretty clear to me that a no deal outcome will be at least partly the fault of those Remainers who have sought to catastrophise/sabotage any negotiations from the outset - in the vain hope of forcing a second vote. The latter was (IMO) never on the cards and Remainers have completely overplayed their hands, making their own worst nightmares come true. Where some level of conciliation/compromise might have led to a better & closer deal with Europe, instead we are left with a stalemate and looming no deal.

I’m not British, btw, these are my observations as an outsider.

It has been pulled it was on Google about an hour ago to do with Reuters...

Looked twice and no longer listed.

It has been pulled it was on Google about an hour ago to do with Reuters... Looked twice and no longer listed.

Like I said, 90% sounds wrong - they probably had to fact check ...

Up to 90% is being quoted by the Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/15/brexit-deal-voted-through-theresa-may-eu-leaders-brussels?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Rather than continue to blame each party, more constructive work is needed - how can we solve the Irish border issues without breaching the GFA? Until and unless this is resolved we are facing a no deal Brexit with theconsequental nightmare of a collapsed economy, huge job losses and supply chain problems affecting everything from food (we do not produce enough food in the UK to supply our needs), medicine, manufacturing materials etc.

AS no one seems able to come up with a agreeable solution for the border, I can’t see anything else but a no deal disaster.

We have a solution to the border , it is called the backstop, some in the UK don't like it because it isn't time limited and the EU don't want the UK ever to use it in reality. It is a safety mechanism. The UK Government signed up to it within the WA in good faith. 41 days to go and they now want to make changes to what they agreed and signed up to. Why ? For who's benefit ?

To be fair 'solution' might be pushing it , but it is a plan at least

I agree frumpety . The backstop is a plan and it doesn't go away as a plan that the EU accepts and is happy to run with just because we are being all huffy about it.
We should accept it, get a transition period, invest in the technological solution which is apparently just around the corner/ready to go according to the ERG, and leave like adults not grumpy pouty teenagers.

Rather than continue to blame each party, more constructive work is needed - how can we solve the Irish border issues without breaching the GFA?

Not Leave the EU ?

DG

Alternatively, Ireland could re-unite? Which I suspect might well happen now anyway certainly within the next 20 years. Without Brexit, I think they could probably have carried on, with increasing cross-border co-operation.

Digressing slightly, Blair was so stupid to go to war in Iraq - this is now how he is remembered, instead of the much better success of being one of the architects of the GFA.

more constructive work is needed - how can we solve the Irish border issues without breaching the GFA?

That constructive work has been done - the backstop involved significant negotiation not to mention some compromise on the part of the EU with regard to the whole UK customs union. It baffles me that it's being presented as a failure because it is the one area where the UK team had a genuine win.

There are three options for no hard border:

• remain
• a Norway deal + a customs union
• the backstop

That's it really.

Uniting Ireland is not the "off the shelf" solution some might think. For a start, Ireland does not have a welfare state such that NI residents would expect. And, of course, the current majority considers itself British and a 51/49 percent split the other way won't fix that .

Agree bellinisurge, Ireland and NI may at some point in the future come to the conclusion that their best interests lie in uniting, but that is not something the UK can 'choose' for them and as such isn't a solution, same applies to Ireland leaving the EU. These are not available options.

When we were in Ireland, lots of people told us that an argument against reunification is the high level of benefit claimants and unemployment and lack of industry in the North.
Ireland cannot afford to take on Northern Ireland without a nice big bung from the UK
£39bn would probably do it

The back stop not being time limited is a major problem. Norway were kept in a 'back stop' for 10 years and there are plenty of Europeans who would love to keep us in a back stop such as the French.

At the end of the day May has to get a deal that will be voted through parliament and in order to stop no deal.

The back stop not being time limited is a major problem
No, the backstop is to prevent a no deal situation
as we can see at the moment, "No Deal" fans love to run down the clock.
They would do the same in Ireland.
That cannot be permitted for the safety of the people who live there.

Double but 17 million people voted for no deal when they voted to leave the EU ? or didn't they ? It would be good to know what I am supposed to be getting behind so I can put my back into it

The backstop is limited in that it remains in place unless and until there is a solution.

It's not time limited because at the moment there is no technological solution anywhere in the world and the any future trade deal (that might itself "solve" the problem) is constrained by what the red lines of certain of the Brexiters

If the Brexiters are so confident that a technological solution will be invented exists or that the future trade deal will obviate the need for the backstop then why. Are. They. So. Against. It. Being. Time. Limited? It dies anyway when these solutions come into being

They are against it being dependent on finding a technological solution because they are LYING about the ease with which a solution can be found. Apologies for the caps.

The back stop not being time limited is a major problem. Norway were kept in a 'back stop' for 10 years and there are plenty of Europeans who would love to keep us in a back stop such as the French

It's the opposite, the EU just wanted the backstops CU to cover just NI - it was T.May that demanded it cover the whole of the UK because the DUP insisted on there being no border in the Irish sea....
though when it comes to abortion, violence against women and gay rights, they are more than happy to be separated from the UK.

People need to wake up to what the DUP really is.

We are only oneUK when it suits those DUP feckers.

You mean we don't all get a bung to ensure unity?

The backstop isn’t a solution as no one can come up with a plan for the long term future. It’s not realistic to have it in place indefinitely but there has to be something to cover the whole of the UK to protect the GFA.