Remainers will be responsible for a no deal Brexit

[prettypossums]

When Brexit happened, it seemed a shame and a mistake. As the deadline looms without any deal or consensus, however, it seems pretty clear to me that a no deal outcome will be at least partly the fault of those Remainers who have sought to catastrophise/sabotage any negotiations from the outset - in the vain hope of forcing a second vote. The latter was (IMO) never on the cards and Remainers have completely overplayed their hands, making their own worst nightmares come true. Where some level of conciliation/compromise might have led to a better & closer deal with Europe, instead we are left with a stalemate and looming no deal.

I’m not British, btw, these are my observations as an outsider.

I used to be a firm believer in the Union and did not want Scotland to secede from that union. Now, I wouldn't blame them at all and I think it is only a matter of time. In fact, I think it will happen before unification of Ireland.
This is a consequence of Brexit. Scotland and NI were resolutely against it. What do people expect if no attempt is made to bring Scotland around?

Not only no effort made to bring us round, actual contempt routinely displayed. They're doing a good job for the Yes side.

Jesus fucking Christ.

No, I am not responsible for no deal. Remainers are not responsible for no deal.

The only person who is responsible is Theresa May who insists on playing party politics at a time of national crisis in attempting to keep the ERG onside.

As a previous poster said. It’s your fucking circus. Control your monkeys.

Leave voters can't control their monkeys, they never had any, in the same way remain voters never had any and still don't. David Cameron opened a Pandora's box with the referendum, 'a process once begun generates many complicated problems' , sounds familiar ?

Just over a month until B-day. Tick tock.

Like many debates I have had about Brexit, the OP presents no clear argument just an accusation which they can not back up with any evidence at all.

We have a leave government, a leave opposition.
The negotiations have been handled by Leavers (Davis, Raab, Johnson, Fox)

OP: Remainers should compromise

Remainers: Fine, we'd like to. We can think of many way to do this.

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Just to remind you what this is really about: our international commitment to a peace deal

Which mean our national ability to compromise is limited and completely incapable with the nonsense that was May's red lines. She set up a set of expectations which were always incapable with our other international commitment and then realised her mistake a few months down the line. By which time she'd fucked up the entire possibility of compromise.

Remainers can't change the GFA by 'being more willing to compromise' cos that's beyond our ability. That's the fuckwittery of MPs, who ignored the problem of the GFA and are trying to frame it as if its Remainers being inflexible rather than a conflict of intent with peace agreement they either have never read, don't care about or actively are seeking to destroy - all without giving away their own ignorance, stupidity or deliberate malice.

I'm fine with compromise. Compromise is a good thing.

The Irish border issue and the GFA has very little to do with my willingness to compromise.

Indeed I've been warning about the problem since before the ref and when I've asked about it I've had responses like 'no my circus' and a shrug about it not being a leavers problem to fix.

And here we are.

An 'outsider' might want to do their research before spouting their 'wisdom'. Cos it's the same ignorance that led us to this point in the first place.

If you don't want to acknowledge that the backstop is the peace treaty known as the Good Friday Agreement or the Belfast Agreement you don't know enough to comment and be taken seriously