Honestly - how likely is it now that Brexit will never happen?

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There's just 57 days to go until we leave the EU.

Is there still a chance that Brexit will be stopped in some way, politicians will see sense, the whole thing will be called off and we will remain in the EU?

How likely is that to happen?

Brexit means the government will have to do things , no more hiding and pretending...

And what makes you think they will 'do things' which help the ordinary person? Cameron ran away, to buy a £25,000 garden shed, and write his memoirs - I haven't heard of him volunteering at his local food back, or using his money to help keep it stocked. Farage made sure his kids got German passports. Redwood boasts about investing his money in France or Germany. Rees-Mogg moves his investments to Ireland. The UK's richest man, whose name I now forget, decamps to Monaco. Dyson moves his headquarters to Singapore. Oh yes, they are doing things all right, but it's doing things to look after number 1.

Years and years ago, when Profumo resigned after lying to the HoC he went into giving a lifetime of service to voluntary work in the East End. Which of the names I have mentioned would even consider doing that?

More training for jobs for our children, as there will be gaps in market

What jobs? So many companies are leaving taking thousands of jobs with them.

Any trading agreement with say, India, comes with a provision for easier movement of people, so the immigrants will still come, only from different places.

This is bonkers.

*mummy let me address those.

More training for jobs for our children, as there will be gaps in market. No, more companies will leave and unemployment will rise.
More houses built .
No, more non U.K. citizens will leave, so we will have more houses than people.
House prices will drop as landlords will off load houses as they can't get rents, schemes to help people buy.
Yes, likely prices will drop, but interest rates will increase, meaning a mortgage will be very difficult to get. There will not be more schemes to help people buy, as we will be billions worse off. And more people will go into rented as they lose their homes, because they lost their jobs, and cannot afford the mortgage.

Its turkeys voting for Christmas

Landlords will of load house ..
The prices will drop...
So young will be able to buy
You can't say no one to do jobs, then say mass unemployment. Either one or the other.
If who ever is in charge does not make it work, the other side will have to relook at how they can improve our lives to gain our votes..
Change is a coming...

You can't convert them here though. They won't even admit there is anything wrong in Greece or Italy. It's a remain echo-chamber here and that's the way they like it.

Oh for fuck's sake.

If by 'they' you mean people who think leaving the EU is a mistake, here, have at this.

There is lots wrong in Greece. Italy has serious issues also. Does that make you feel better?

Brexit is still a mistake which will damage us economically, politically and socially. It will lead to reduced investment as the government and businesses will have less money. Wages will not rise. We will not invest in training our young people as we will run an immigration system that invites 'highly skilled' people with job offers of £30k+ in whilst refusing access to people who do unskilled/ low skilled low wage jobs. So there will be jobs available to our young people- the rubbish ones, with low pay, little or no training, poor prospects and little stability. There will be no real incentive to train and upskill this group, in fact there will be more incentive to make well paid jobs inaccessible to them so they have no choice but to do the crap ones. House prices may fall- but interest rates will rise and lending criteria will tighten, so home ownership will be no more accessible than it is now. And what happens when very few people can afford to buy a home and more and more need to rent? It becomes a landlord's market and they increase their rents.

You seem to think that disagreeing with you lot and attacking the poor arguments you make is somehow wrong. Why? Why are we expected to pander to Leavers? All this taking offence at being told you are wrong is pathetic. It's like the toddler- esque tantrums that were being thrown in the run up to and aftermath of the referendum- any time someone used facts and attacked leavers declarations of a glorious Brexit future with evidence to the contrary, some fool would splutter "this is why I voted Leave! Sick of elites talking down to me!" Which only made them appear even more of a fool. Voting leave because people can back up their argument with evidence, you can't, and that makes you feel bad... pathetic.

I've given up trying to pander to the super sensitive feelings of our little snowflake leavers, or "Brexiteers" as they seem to like being called.

This is getting silly.

Quite right mummy2017 house prices will plummet.
They usually do during civil wars.

Landlords will of load house
The prices will drop.

In the real world that is unlikely. They are an investment. Investments go up and down. They will hold onto them.

If you are banking on this happening you will be disapointed.

The thread has moved on a bit, but I think the WA will pass this time, with the backstop intact. I think May is (or the Tories are, depending on how long she stays) going to call a GE quite soon, and I think she is/they are banking on getting a majority this time so they can bin off the DUP and put a border in the Irish Sea.

It's very easy to get caught up in the current shit-flinging and think of it as the endgame, but of course it's only the beginning of about five years of transition chaos.

Maybe people will buy seasonal vegetables, and look at what they need, not what they desire. It won't kill us to do that
Do you think the UK produces enough 'seasonal vegetables' to feed us all? And who do you fondly imagine picking, processing and delivering them all?

Everyone who voted Leave needs to go and pick peas and potatoes. It’s what they voted for so it’s their duty.

Either that or the unicorns will pick them. Either really. Cos neither is going to happen.

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Mummy, what has led you to believe these things will occur? I think there is enough information out there now to understand they won't, to be honest it reads more like your personal wish list, and as a wish list it's understandable, but it's less understandable at this stage as a view of what will occur by leaving the eu.

Landlords will of load house ..why would they do this, when mortgage rates will rise and people will lose their homes and be forced into rented.
The prices will drop...yes, house prices may well drop.
So young will be able to buy , not unless they have enough cash to value , as mortgage rates will be very high.
You can't say no one to do jobs, then say mass unemployment. Either one or the other. It's not as simple as that, many companies will,leave the U.K., and yes a lot of people will leave with those companies, but ultimately the net will be higher unemployment, way higher, as more jobs will be lost than people leaving.
If who ever is in charge does not make it work, the other side will have to relook at how they can improve our lives to gain our votes.. how do they do this with companies not willing to invest in the U.K., with the costs of doing business here too high due to customs duties. Unless of course we make labour cheap and unprotected.
Higher unemployed is less people paying tax, less people paying tax means more people claiming benefits, so even less to go around.
Change is a coming...yes, it is, but it will possibly hurt you and yours the deepest. I'm sorry.

I think there's a higher chance of a no deal than no Brexit because the tories will always put party before Country and labour are a fucking joke who are letting down vast numbers of people - and I don't just mean they remain voting voters. Labour have not challenged the anti-immigration nonsense and are therefor equally responsible for the rise in racism, xenophobia and hate crimes. Corbyn is facilitating Brexit and labour will be fucked.

The thread has moved on a bit, but I think the WA will pass this time, with the backstop intact. I think May is (or the Tories are, depending on how long she stays) going to call a GE quite soon, and I think she is/they are banking on getting a majority this time so they can bin off the DUP and put a border in the Irish Sea.

There will be no GE before Brexit.

Labour may say they want one, but in actual reality do they want one at the moment? No. He called that vote of no confidence knowing full well there was absolutely no way he would win it. It was a game playing.

Labour are also divided not just on Brexit but many issues, lets not forget, and these will very much show again at the PLP meeting on Monday.

I think the WA will pass and in tact with a legal bolt on about the backstop which will satisfy enough to get it through.

I hope mummmy realises that in order to have proper change you will need a completely different party in government. Maybe time to give labour a go in the next ge. Or just keep voting tories in the hope they will at some point miraculously change their policies. Hopefully for the better but seeing their track record I wouldn't count on it.

For a long while a landlord could use his rental income to cover the mortgage interest payments...
This meant no cost to a landlord in buying a house, if interested only. Then the landlord would hope he sold at a profit, and that a 20% increase meant a good profit.
Last year it all changed. Now you can no longer do that, it is 40% of your rental income, so it is costing landlords to own a house... Ergo landlords are selling up.

More training for jobs for our children, as there will be gaps in market

One might wonder just how much training a fruit picker, hospital cleaner or unskilled factory worker actually needs. Because that is where the gaps in the market will be. Skilled immigrants will still be very much welcomed.

Disclaimer: I haven't picked fruit but have been a hospital cleaner and unskilled factory worker in my time so this is in no way a dig at those types of jobs. Just that generally the government doesn't invest in training people for those roles.

We need people in hospitals, plans for more training have been announced.

I have done jobs that are to do with farms, so did loads of my friends as we lived in the country side, some are now on massive incomes yet we still all have very fond memories of our youth spent doing things in the summer.
But the young now think of it as degrading to pick fruit .. as a summer job . Maybe they need to relook at life...

I think all this thread does is re enforce why we should never have had the vote in the first place,

It's not simply pockets of misunderstanding, It's struggling people voting for a land of milk and honey that never existed, and which will cause them to struggle a huge amount more, thinking they are voting to help themselves when actually they are voting. For more pain.

I do wonder though is there an element of misery loves misery. As in if I'm struggling then fuck you all, you can struggle too.

Why do you think the apprentice program was introduced.. we need more training in trades for the youth, these jobs provide good incomes, and are great for those who don't like desk work.

Why do you think the apprentice program was introduced.. we need more training in trades for the youth, these jobs provide good incomes, and are great for those who don't like desk work

Of course, but why do you feel this is relevant.? With companies leaving, building work stopping, then thr need for the trades will decrease, as we will already have more than we require.

Right now we do have a need. Tomorrow that need may well decline.

The government has said more houses need building, why not train students to build houses.
There will be lots of new plans as things change. Yes it will happen, because needs must .
If you spend your time always knocking ideas down, it must make you very bitter.

This just makes me so sad.

And I just want to cry for my kids and all the kids.

There is no bright future.

The Labour MPs are trying to get you some extra money by voting for TM’s deal but that is completely unethical.

Successive British governments are the problem.

Unless we start blaming the right people and ensuring they don’t get elected again there will be no change.

This stupid vote has just made everything so much worse.

Ah, mummy, we need more affordable housing, not more housing. Who will build these in your vision of the future? And you understand with rising unemployment then competition for apprenticeships will increase hugely right?

I can't decide if I am impressed by your stoic naivety and optimism in the face of all evidence to the contrary or saddened by it it. I think a bit of both. 💐

Random what if this is the start of us the public making the MPs change things.
What if they suddenly fear for their jobs if they don't listen and change
For too long there has been only two real choices as too who is in power, maybe there will be a third out of this who do listen and demand change .
Look at how the DUP have power .
How Liberals were needed and actually got some things done, when the Tory part needed them...