Honestly - how likely is it now that Brexit will never happen?

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There's just 57 days to go until we leave the EU.

Is there still a chance that Brexit will be stopped in some way, politicians will see sense, the whole thing will be called off and we will remain in the EU?

How likely is that to happen?

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/21/councils-pledge-to-exploit-end-to-borrowing-cap-to-build-homes

Oh look, they want to build.
Back to lets train the young to build...

No, you're right, the rental needs to cover all their repayment costs, and when the properties are built and then fully occupied, they need to charge enough to cover all their repayment costs, and also to maintain the properties and estates.

This would be after they developed both the capability and capacity to do it obviously then went through all the rigmarole of finding where to build and getting planning permission, and objections can delay the process for literally years, and their costs have escalated from day one, as they need to employ people capable of managing estate builds, finding locations, entering for planning permission, getting the designs done blah blah blah,

So as much as long term when they have the houses, it works, I am simply explaining to you why more councils don't do this. It's complex, it's expensive, it's risky and they are not designed to do it.

Right now only 38 councils build. 38.

But if they don't build year on year more income and profit gets handed to other companies...
Thanks Blunt.... For being able to see it could be done...
Think they could do the same with housing for older people...
As if profits can be reinvested then things can be improved. £1000 a week for each person needing care, would soon pay it's own way.

They could build more council houses if the will from Westminster allowed it. I am not holding my breath with the current batch of Tories to have the will to do so, and MacMillan isn't going to be rising from his grave any time soon.

Mummmy2017 - what do you mean ref elderly housing and £1000 per week?

Of course it can be done, but that doesn't mean it will be mummy, I'm just trying to explain the issues with it actually being done.

But I'm not seeing the revlevance to brexit, this makes it less likely, not more, with interest rates rising, our ability to borrow decreasing, and more and more pressure on our infrastructure.

No one disputes your vision of this eutopian society, lots of new council houses, help to buy, cheap housing, more jobs for everyone, people are simply trying to explain to you the impacts of brexit and why this won't lead to your nirvana.

Sisters MIL cost them thousand a week, same for friends Aunt.... To be in an home for the elderly. .
I just think so much money is wasted, all over the place. That if this means that we have too relook at things, how can that be bad?

£1000 a week for each person needing care, would soon pay it's own way.

Because that £1000 is solely rent, and the care and nursing staff are there as volunteers, and the food, utilities and equipment are provided by unicorns???

this eutopian society

This is a brilliant pun! Not sure whether you intended it but it's fab!

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mummy has banged on for ages about Brexit being an opportunity for our politicians to see the light and start behaving in a more responsible way towards the have-nots. It seems to have escaped her notice, however, that in the two and a half years since the referendum, despite Theresa's fine words about helping the just-about-managing, we have seen further cuts, a declining NHS and the introduction of Universal Credit. I would be interested to know when she thinks we are going to enter this brave new world where we will all be adequately, securely and affordably housed, where there will be proper full employment - as opposed to zero-hours contracts - and a well-functioning and fully staffed NHS, where all our children will have a good education before being trained to do well-paid, fulfilling work. How long will we have to wait for this nirvanha? Two years? Five? Twenty? Because at the moment there's not even a sniff of dialogue about it. If the intention was there, the powers that be would already be talking about this post-Brexit paradise - I mean, what a great selling point it would be for those doubting remainer types!

Sisters MIL cost them thousand a week, same for friends Aunt.... To be in an home for the elderly. .
I just think so much money is wasted, all over the place. That if this means that we have too relook at things, how can that be bad?

Its crossed my mind that you deliberately just come out with stupid stuff just to get a bite?

If you are paying 50k per year, you need 24/7 nursing care, that costs.
all your so called social care has to be provided, you will be incontinent, bed ridden, unable to feed or cloth oneself, almost certainly have a degree of dementia, you 'll also have your own room.

Now if you want a make an argument for a return to Geriatric wards, were patients, that's for another day but i doubt you'd want that for yourself.

Private companies are pulling out of providing for this care because they can't make it pay or get the staff.

were patients

Exactly, and any problems we have as a society is not the eus fault.

I think what many fail to realise is although we have some problems, every society does, making us poorer is not going to make us better off.its simply going to make poorer, Cost of living increases, interest rate rises, possibly tax rises, huge increases in unemployment. It will literally take us generations to get to simply where we are today..

And lol on the Eutopian society, best typo ever 🤣

Apparently there are plans to make March 29th a bank holiday from next year onwards.

There were some petitions which failed to get enough support.

I am trying to say that opting out of health care, housing and loads of other things means any profit is going to big companies, which means councils are paying more and more for less, the nurses from agencies cost loads as do locums.. wasted money.
Maybe is we train and look after staff we could cut costs.. if councils ran homes and freed up housing rents would go down, this is all possible not pipe dreams. .

I am trying to say that opting out of health care, housing and loads of other things means any profit is going to big companies, which means councils are paying more and more for less,

Quite honestly, you can't have been following what has been going on for the last few years. Councils have been hobbled financially by Westminster. They have been forced to outsource stuff which used to be done by them. It's been pure political dogma - public sector bad, private sector good. (More profit for the wealthy chumocracy).

Now Care Homes are going under - it costs to provide decent care and there isn't sufficient for them to do this and make a profit. Was it The Who who sang "I hope I die before I get old" because I sincerely hope that I don't end up incapacitated and needing care? I am always thankful that we managed to keep both my parents in their own home before they died, and so far are managing still with MIL.

Mummmy, i'm rather surprised at your brexit vote considering your socialist views.

The direction of travel is further privatisation of the NHS not less, the Americans want access to bid for NHS services.... your dream of going back to the 70s isn't going to happen, brexit ensures less public involvement, also buying back buildings/staff and contracts would be unviable.

I'm not fan of privatisation but having worked for Government sector as well as private companies..... i can assure you that there is huge waste in the public sector, there is just no incentive to save money or do things efficiently when you know fully well you ve a job for life.

There is a balance to be struck, we need public service ethos and private sector efficiency (not that they are all that brilliant either!)

People were fed in the wars...

Please educate yourself about history. Exactly this is what gave birth to the EU.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944%E2%80%9345

Actually i understand where mummy is coming from, if you're struggling, if you're kids are struggling, it's understandable to deeply want change, to envisage a society with no unemployment, with plentiful affordable housing, with fantastic job opportunities, where the nhs and care homes are all run by the government, that everyone is paid a good wage and that to hope against hope, that by coming out, the government will smack themselves over the head, and think, this, this is what we need, why didn't we do it before.

To think you've actually voted to make your and your children's lives harder, and that you may be one of the worst hit in society because you already live hand to mouth, must be very very hard to accept.

On saying that though, I do think we will ultimately agree a deal and a such the impacts will be mitigated, but we will face a huge rise in the cost of living, in the region of five to ten percent, and this will not be offset in wage increases, it can't be, wages may actually have to decrease to offset the cost of doing business here, so unless we stay in, we are all going to be worse off.

I agree with mummmy on a lot of the end goals but where we differ is what we think is the solution. Brexit will not force the hands of the government, they will not be negatively impacted as much as us. They'll keep going as they are.

But we seem to just switch from one party, too the other party and nothing much changes. There is as you say no reason. For the parties to change ... Now however everything is up for grabs...

@mummy how did you vote on the AV referendum. I voted against it as I felt it was too complicated.

But I do think we need to get rid of the first past the post system.

If we introduce Proportional Representation for example we can move away from the 2 party system.

Lst election I myself was guilty of tactical voting. I did not particularly want the candidate I voted for to be my MP but I did want to keep the other one out (failed sadly and I have a May lapdog as an MP)