Honestly - how likely is it now that Brexit will never happen?

[Crimson72]

There's just 57 days to go until we leave the EU.

Is there still a chance that Brexit will be stopped in some way, politicians will see sense, the whole thing will be called off and we will remain in the EU?

How likely is that to happen?

Dear god, that Digby Jones clip

I work for a multi national, and my impression from normal Europeans is one of bemusement.

They know we pay a penny to get a pound. And they see us grabbing rhe penny back and shouting you can't have it you fuckers. And they give us this look

But more than that, they see our politicians behaving badly. Arguing' telling half truths, not working for the countries interests and they feel sorry for us. Just like we do when we watch another countries politicians take them down, be it Italy, or Greece, they watch us, a huge economy, rip each other to shreds, to fight each other to see just how much we ruin our economy and like us when we watch other politicians in other countries, they can't really understand it.

The thing is, we have no words to defend what we are doing to ourselves. One of the richest most successful economies in the world, reduced to having to stock pile food and medicine as the population and the public rip each other to shreds.

But it's all our fault for not getting behind Brexit. Why should we get behind wealthy liars and cheats? Ones who aren't prepared to put their own people in the firing line and negotiate deals.

But the worst thing is that we can't do anything to stop this suicidal car crash that has been set in motion based on a pack of lies and half truths.

The politicians are bickering, going round and round in circles, and we can only stand on the sidelines and watch it all unravel.

But it's all our fault for not getting behind Brexit. Why should we get behind wealthy liars and cheats? Ones who aren't prepared to put their own people in the firing line and negotiate deals.

Hear, hear!

Jacob Rees mogg is the super elite. He alone is worth 55 million. His wife a further 100 million. Together they are worth over 150 million.

Is there even one person who seriously thinks their money is currently in the U.K., risking devaluation, helping our economy and that it's not protected and held abroad to secure it and their futures?

Anyone?

But the worst thing is that we can't do anything to stop this suicidal car crash

It's not just suicide, it's murder-suicide

@Bluntness

Nope. Jacob Rees-Smug will have made sure his millions are stashed somewhere safe.

Jasjas
{Anyone see this?
How a brexitier defends his own bare faced lies! }

I listened and it is not as clear cut as that in my view. The root of what he says is correct in that had the government been upfront in June 2016 just after the referendum and said 'we need certainty for our businesses' and then ringfenced CU/SM or whatever, practically immediately so that the damage to industry of all kinds would have been a 'hiccup' rather than panic at some level in 'boardrooms' across the whole of UK industry.
What we actually got (are still getting over 2 1/2 years on) is the government trying to define what the hell a 'brexit' looks like. Colour, shape, size, practically nothing has been defined.
I feel that Digby has lost out in his argument because the way the government has handled everything, although I struggle to see how the UK could ever be 'better' than is was, as by definition being out of the EU on trade terms can never be as good as being a member, and the downsides of being Trump's footstool are far too uncertain, although if Trump hadn't won, UK/USA relations might be significantly better.
Most of what Digby is accused of 'lying' about is with the benefit of hindsight. We had no idea that the UK was going to fuck up all negotiations in a destructive fashion.

We had no idea that the UK was going to fuck up all negotiations in a destructive fashion

Actually that's not true, the deal we have is actually a surprisingly decent one.

The simple fact is we simply can't be better off out than in. There is no way round it. Right now we trade with the world on eu terms. These are good terms, negotiated not with just our negotiating power, but with 26 countries standing behind us. And some of those are big economies, like Germany,

Right now, goods coming in and out of EUROPE there is no customs duty on. In future clearly there has to be, so we get not just a tariff on what we import, but also the raw ingredients. We import eighty percent of our goods, and we export a small amount in comparison.

And now, when we sell to those countries they have to pay duty, as it works both ways. Meaning our prices are higher than two eu countries trading with each other,

The deal isn't a bad deal, we have come out of this better than expected, if it's agreed, but what we can't expect is to continue to trade on eu terms. And we will be worse off without them. Because on our own, we do not have the same negotiating power as we do when we are negotiating and it's with 26 other countries weight behind us.

Anyone seen today's front page of The Sunday Times (don't worry, I'll repost here). Ah yes, silly me, "It's all the EU's fault."

I really cannot recommend enough listening to Sabine Weyand's talk. Esp. the bit when she specifies the exact dates when the UK suggested the Irish protocol (colloquially known as "The backstop"). Yup, it was our idea all along.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNe8qK_-wUI

Just watched the Digby Jones clip.

That explains it, it's my fault.

Brexit is all the fault of Remainers. God fucking god he believes that doesn't he.

No matter what happens it will all the the fault of Remainers.

'No matter what happens it will all the the fault of Remainers.'

Yep. And the EU. Definitely not the Brexiteers

Are these threads some sort of fishing expedition?
The amount of ranting without engagement
screams of frustration.
S'pose...if it makes you all feel better. lol

Thank you for you well constructed, thoughtful and eloquent contribution to this thread, TheCounter.

Miljah

TheCounter, once we have crashed out with no deal because "brexit means brexit", I do hope that you will come back to this thread and tell us all in specific detail how your your life has improved immeasurably as a result of us leaving the EU.

MN will need a tumbleweed emoji, I suspect, dimsum!

Miljah, I suspect you might be right.

On a serious note, I am genuinely interested in hearing from those who voted leave, after we have left, about how their lives have now improved enough to make the advantages of brexit worth the disadvantages.

I am a remainer. But I would be happy to stand corrected if there are swathes of leavers who come on MN posting about the ways in which their life is dramatically better post brexit.

I love the German word posted upthread, verschlimmbessurung = an attempt to make things better but results in making things worse.