The leavers lagoon - a thread for tranquility & optimism.

[surferjet]

Good morning brexiteers.

Well, we’re almost there ( although today will be interesting )
So if you’re not worried in the slightest about anything ( I’m not ) then jump into the pool of tranquility, & let the warm water of optimism & new beginnings wash over you.

Fully appreciate some remainers have real concerns, but in the interest of balance, plenty of us haven’t.

This thread is for us.

We have given the EU our best offer if they don't want it then yes no deal is acceptable

That would be the WA that May couldn't get through the commons.

I suppose a lot of people feel that nothing changes whoever is in power.
Also as others have said, the growing disconnect between the people and Parliament.
Personally I think Corbyn would be a disaster. Even DH who is fairly leftwing thinks he'd bankrupt the country.

The whole shebang is a mess. I try to be optimistic but it's getting difficult!

@bellinisurge not asking anyone to rely on me, just giving my opinion in a leaver started thread.

And imo, the hysterics some people are getting themselves hyped into (unnecessarily) is just going to create a self fulling prophesy. ❤

So how come Scotland voted to remain then? There's plenty of poverty up here, plenty sink estates, plenty people utterly pissed off with the wealthy elite deciding what we do and how we should live.

It was immigration and the English view amongst mainly the older and easily fooled, this view that England rules the waves and is above jonny foreigner and won't be told what to do....... On other words they voted without logic.

That would be the WA that May couldn't get through the commons.

Nope we didn't like that one, price was to high.

Or Liverpool @ssd

If "hysteria" means people who don't agree with you, then you'll find there are plenty with it.

"we "

Liverpool voted remain at least partly due to utterly despising Boris Johnson...and quite right on both points imo!

I really think we are now being held to ransom and I'd say fuck you tbh - they need our money.

No deal is fine - manipulative twats.

Todays SKY Poll
"Would you prefer Mrs May's deal with the Irish Backstop?"
27% prefer it with the backstop
34% prefer it without the backstop
39% want No Deal

The people are speaking, I hope MPs are listening.

It’s worth remembering that 45% of people in Northern Ireland voted to leave, & nearly 40% in Scotland.

But if Scotland left the UK, how are they going to finance themselves?
They get a lot of cash from us or did I miss read it, they will be out of the EU and can't rejoin as their finances are not sorted.

mummmy2017

The SNP are happy to be ruled by anyone as long as it’s not England.

Tick tock.... I tried my hardest May.....
Just how could people not see like Surferjet and I did, that there was never going to be a way to have a deal...
DC knew this, why do you think he lied and walked away?

Scotland voted to remain in the EU, where did I mention leaving the UK? We're being dragged out the EU without our consent, same as London and certain parts of the UK. The little England mentality has prevailed elsewhere and that's why we are all leaving.

Still, I'm on the wrong thread here obviously so I'll leave surferjet and the other leavers to their own chat.

Well ssd that’s how our voting system works. Millions of people are dragged into labour / Tory governments against their will.

Political utopia has yet to be invented.

SSD...
Not you, but NS.. your first minister keeps going on about leaving the UK... Or why else does she want a second vote?

Nope we didn't like that one, price was to high.

Tough, the ineptitude of parliament is the UK's problem nobody elses. Leavers are going to find out just how insignificant the UK is on the world stage.

It’s worth remembering that 45% of people in Northern Ireland voted to leave, & nearly 40% in Scotland.

Tremendous cognitive dissonance there - suddenly the losing side exists!

Those people who voted in the SKY poll for and against the backstop... How many of them actually understand the GFA, or The Troubles, or the implications, or the time and effort it took to get a GFA in the first place? I have a bloody Politics degree and read about this stuff for pleasure and I still don't think I have a full grasp of it.

Some things are too complicated to 'ask the people'. Absolutely form a citizens' committee of a wide range of people who are willing to learn and read and process and give their opinion. But don't go on the word of someone who has no clue what they are actually voting for.

You do realise that when you object to a permanent backstop, what this really means is that you intend to break the terms of an international peace treaty.

Goodbye Great Britain, hello Perfidious Albion.

For info. Scotland has voted conservative 3 times in the 1950 however we have had a conservations goverment for 38 years out of 68 years

Don’t you worry about how Scotland will finance itself Mummy. I’m sure we will offer to continue to sell our whisky, electricity and oil to England (depending on what trade deal we decide to give you)

NS wants Scotland out of an unequal union and be part of a union where we would have a country veto and regarded as a partner rather than a colony

If all you brexiteers can spout about not wanting to be ruled by another country etc etc etc then you should understand exactly why some people in Scotland want independence

I was replying to the poster who suggested leave voters were ‘Little Englanders’ - I merely pointed out that 45% of people from NI, & nearly 40% of people from Scotland voted to leave. Not to mention 52.5% of people from Wales.
Little Englandlers clearly had a lot of support.

Remaining has alot of support but clearly that doesn't matter. Leave voters in NI/Scotland "lost" just as remainers across the UK "lost". At least be consistent with the football match analogies.

StoorieHoose...
I do understand why some of Scotland wants to leave, and if you got the English to vote we would have let you go...
But that is the difference between the UK and the EU...