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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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Hazardswans · 24/01/2019 21:59

Ta red

I thought it was going to be a quiet week but with all the doomsday business news and revelations it's anything but.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/01/2019 22:00

btw red - typo in the OP:

should be $800 million costs for Ford - they don't have 800 billion

BigChocFrenzy · 24/01/2019 22:01

JRM won't want to end like Charles I

PerverseConverse · 24/01/2019 22:02

Good evening and goodnight. Confuses me when the new thread starts before the old one finishes. Will catch up tomorrow. Prepping coming along nicely. I have crumble and custard ingredients which I view of utmost importance Grin

lonelyplanetmum · 24/01/2019 22:02

I'm now freaked out why am I getting Sesbourne ads on the thread and others aren't?!

I wonder if the ads are deliberately being run on Brexit threads to advertise to anyone understandably worried about booking flights.

nicoala1 · 24/01/2019 22:04

I think it is either the WA or Revoke now.

I realise that revoke can be undertaken unilaterally by UK now, but the leave date is enshrined in law under the WA amongst the EU 27. How to square that circle? But I reckon it can be done if necessary.

My bones are telling me that revoke is a good move. Cannot be any worse than the current madness. Extending A50 will only happen if WA is accepted I think. GE and PV are not feasible now, just my opinion of course.

The EU is losing patience with the arrogance and oft times stupidity of the UK Government now.

Anyway, onwards and upwards. Aux barricades!

borntobequiet · 24/01/2019 22:04

Thanks Red.
I was a little surprised to see Gallipoli in the OP because for some reason this evening YouTube directed me to this:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCekeoSTwg

MangoSplit · 24/01/2019 22:05

Place marking

Sostenueto · 24/01/2019 22:06
Moussemoose · 24/01/2019 22:07

Thanks Red - am trying to imagine Gallipoli being a worse disaster than it actually was.

And on that positive note - Brexit!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/01/2019 22:07

we can't possibly be on a new thread already Shock

BrieAndOatcakes · 24/01/2019 22:08

Place
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Loletta · 24/01/2019 22:08

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Moussemoose · 24/01/2019 22:08

We should amuse ourselves by speculating on the politician involved on the sadly deleted "courtesan" thread.

Or not as they might delete us.

BrieAndOatcakes · 24/01/2019 22:09

I think it is either the WA or Revoke now.

Agreed. All or bloody nothing.

7Days · 24/01/2019 22:11

Pmk.
By the time I went to pmk on the last thread it was up on 800 posts.
What is running through those heads?

MsForestier · 24/01/2019 22:12

WineGin It's getting to the 'I can't bear to look' stage of Brexit

OlennasWimple · 24/01/2019 22:12

"Don't tell him your name, Placemat King!"

Thanks again Red

Venezuala is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better....

www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/opposition-launches-protests-to-oust-maduro-as-us-venezuela-tensions-rise/2019/01/22/0416687a-1e4f-11e9-a759-2b8541bbbe20_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6b03ab007028

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 24/01/2019 22:14

Thanks Red

Forgot to mention earlier that I tried to order my repeat prescription today and was told, yet again, that there were supply issues. This time it sounds like they know we won’t be able to get hold of them for the foreseeable as the pharmacist said I needed to go back to the GP and ask for a prescription for a different HRT. I asked if it was Brexit related and she sort of laughed and said no just a manumfacturing issue. Who knows really...

prettybird · 24/01/2019 22:15

Chilled out place elite cat king.

I am not panicking. Grin

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LouiseCollins28 · 24/01/2019 22:17

Gosh we are stoking the fires tonight aren’t we, any hope of a semblance of balance? nah though not!

Hazardswans · 24/01/2019 22:21

Give us the balance louise ?

I'll start.....errr brexit has boosted sales in unicorn toys, probably?

lonelyplanetmum · 24/01/2019 22:23

Catching up on the last thread.. this quote seems very prophetic and no it doesn't encourage anyone who is aware of the events to take balanced view..

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

bellinisurge · 24/01/2019 22:23

Just seen on tbe news that the Queen reiterated her "calm tbe fuck down and compromise, you bloody idiots " Christmas message in a speech to the Sandringham WI.
Obviously she didn't say it like that but she keeps giving me reasons to like her (which started when I learned she disliked Thatcher and continued when she visited Ireland and N Ireland).

TheElementsSong · 24/01/2019 22:24

Well, for balance somebody could do a drive-by spritzing of empty evidence-free slogans, I suppose.