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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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BiglyBadgers · 27/01/2019 09:46

So, if anyone wants to look at beaches and help me decide where to go with dd...escape plan

Maybe we should all chip in and buy a Westminstenders island to escape to.

MarshaBradyo · 27/01/2019 09:49

It surely must be hyping the tone a fair bit not sure why

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:50

This is a sort of Rightmove for islands
www.privateislandsonline.com

Spudlet · 27/01/2019 09:51

Oof Peregrina, that is hard. Without google, I'm going to say since 1921?

If it's wrong I'm going to offer the mitigating factor of a vomiting preschool child (and a feeling of distinct peculiarity myself - oh dear...) 🤢

Destiel · 27/01/2019 09:52

I'm off to do some yoga, have a bit of a cry and then bake some flapjacks :(

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 09:54

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3491079-Westminstenders-The-English-Gentleman-and-Martial-Law?watched=1

Sorry i am as Remain as they come BUT talk of Marshal law, shooting people on the streets is ridiculous, lowers the tone of the debate and makes Remainers look as stupid as many say Leavers are!

Why do you think it's unlikely? What happens if there are large problems with food chain supply? How do you manage that situation? If you think food supply chain issues are likely then what leads on from that is not unlikely.

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BiglyBadgers · 27/01/2019 09:55

borntobequiet

^This is a sort of Rightmove for islands
www.privateislandsonline.com^

I'm just going to be here planning my new life on a private island in the Bahamas. Wink

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 09:57

I'd like to point out that the very sensible David Allen Green has talked about the civil contingency act recently as being very likely if things continue and the issues of how authoritarian and wides weeping its powers are.

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 09:57

borntobe Shock
This one might get us all on it? No price though, which usually means I can't afford it Grin income producing campsite island in Poland

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 10:00

jas after hearing my leave voting friends basically saw screw the restof the country, i'm fine because I live near fams, I am actually glad we have a way to redistribute food within UK. I was wondering if we had a plan to do this by force.

1tisILeClerc · 27/01/2019 10:02

{ If I were to ask him to say what the full name of the nation state we are currently Wink part of, he'd say unfortunately the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Smile}*

*This week.

WickedGoodDoge · 27/01/2019 10:02

My biological father bought a small Panamanian finca on the beach and retired there years ago. He loves it there. DS has been to visit and says it’s wonderful. Grin

thecatfromjapan · 27/01/2019 10:08

I see where you're coming from, JasJas

May is using 'No Deal' as a gun to the head of those who oppose her ludicrous deal. Or more precisely, a gun to the head of the UK population, while she screams her demands to Parliament.

It is not a negotiating position aimed at the EU. Only a fool or a liar would think it has anything to do with the EU at this stage.

The trouble is, the ERG inside Parliament slaver at 'No Deal' and fools outside Parliament are still failing to engage their brains about it.

The meaning of 'No Deal' has to be made clear. It neefs to be off the table.
And somehow, somehow, we %have to break the cognitive dissonance by means of which people are somehow seeing this as normal.

I would also say that there comes a point where Momentum alone sees the catastrophe of 'No Deal' - which May is perfectly aware is a catastrophe - becoming somehow acceptable and slipping into reality. Tick tick. Railway timetables. Events.

Apileofballyhoo · 27/01/2019 10:08

If you are a UK citizen, you don't need citizenship for Ireland to live, work and claim social welfare benefits there because of the common travel area.

I do wonder how long that will last if things get really bad.

thecatfromjapan · 27/01/2019 10:09

Also, I cannot help but think all these plans for 'No Deal' are, in fact, plans for May's Deal - which is actually going to be grim and a bringer of chaos.

thecatfromjapan · 27/01/2019 10:12

May's Deal is he's Brexit. And all the forecasts for hard Brexit were fucking grim.

Way, way back, MN had 3 experts on to answer questions about Brexit. The forecasts for Hard Brexit were bloody bad - and haven't changed.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 10:16

I see it is a gun to the head for May's deal. I do think she has completely underestimated the apathy of the public and ERG's brainwashing that WTO would be a success. How are the public going to make a difference if they think it is all scaremongering (which all my leaver friends do) anyway?

PestymcPestFace · 27/01/2019 10:16

DH would say he lives in the British Isles. He is looking at it from a different angle.

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Apileofballyhoo · 27/01/2019 10:20

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute

For your DH, Pesty!

thecatfromjapan · 27/01/2019 10:21

Personally, I think May will get her deal through.

And a lot of the reason for that is Labour's ridiculous non-Opposition. Peddling the fantasy of 'Jobs First Brexit' permitted the cognitive dissonance to continue. The toxic attacking of Remain figures by the Left as anti-Corbyn plotters and heartless elitists ripped the heart out of what is essentially a progressive position.

It did that outside Parliament, and meant that there has been no real, central, authoritative push to overturn the toxicity of Brexit.

Inside Parliament, MPs have no real sense of how much opposition to Brexit there is. And they have no coherent point from which to oppose.

It's awful.

PestymcPestFace · 27/01/2019 10:23

The holocaust and education thing has varied over time.

I was taught Jews, Russians and others died.
Thirty years later
DD was taught that Jews died.

We never would have had a conversation about it but, she had an outspoken Russian girl in her class who objected to the full figures not being used.

The Holocaust (1941-45) Of the 60 million World War II deaths, 11 million people died in German death camps including 3.5 million Russians, and 6 million Jews (2/3rds of all European Jews)

Hazardswans · 27/01/2019 10:24

apile can me and DP (plus dog) rock up in Ireland and claim disability/carers benefits? Really? Do I need to Google? Is this an amazing back up plan?

DGRossetti · 27/01/2019 10:24

Countries without natural resources that want to attract investment from abroad tend not to think martial law is a great advert for stability.

I wonder how many more "forward planning" decisions to leave the UK will be bought forward in the next few weeks for companies that aren't keen on needing troops to defend them ?

thecatfromjapan · 27/01/2019 10:25

But people are stockpiling, Lonely.

And they are holding back on big decisions, including divorce.

Leavers ... Leavers are ... well, I think the referendum has demonstrated, very clearly, that there are differences between us that are deeper, more profound, than the old 'left' 'right' distinctions of politics.

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