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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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MissMalice · 24/01/2019 21:27

I’m just here to mark my place. I’m not panicking. I’m definitely not panicking.

golondrina · 24/01/2019 21:28

Reading.....

Ta1kinPeace · 24/01/2019 21:28

Thank you for the new thread.
Its all getting too depressing for words.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 24/01/2019 21:30

Only hope now extension of article 50? Stay of execution.

mathanxiety · 24/01/2019 21:31

Plaice, etc.

freezinguplands · 24/01/2019 21:32

Honestly 2 years ago when I announced at work I wasn't staying and paying taxes to fund Brexit I'm sure my colleagues thought I was nuts. Living in the land of the giant Cheeto has it's moments but at least I know I can buy food in April.
Thanks red

DGRossetti · 24/01/2019 21:37

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1tisILeClerc · 24/01/2019 21:38

Thanks RTB
Is Mrs May's lightbulb moment one where they plug a torch bulb into the mains. A few milliseconds of brilliance and then burns out?

1tisILeClerc · 24/01/2019 21:39

Don't try this at your home. Go next door if you want to try it.

umpteennamechanges · 24/01/2019 21:40

🐟 🐱 👑

1tisILeClerc · 24/01/2019 21:41

{Only hope now extension of article 50? Stay of execution.}
i think many businesses would prefer a concrete plan, over a delay as they are losing money big time while they wait for the toddlers.

Quietrebel · 24/01/2019 21:45

Thanks red.
Unrelated to brexit but as a timely reminder of how countries can spiral into chaos, there is the news from Venezuela edging closer to civil war. This piece in The Times was written as a cautionary tale against Corbyn's socialist ideals however I think it's much more chilling in the context of the propaganda for No Deal:

'It requires an act of imagination, and a reassessment of your political principles, to understand that, as Karl Popper was the first to point out, utopian fantasy always ends in violence.'

[[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/venezuela-shows-how-corbyn-s-socialism-works-8hp32scrp[]

Glitteryfrog · 24/01/2019 21:48

Plaice Catting

I think arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! Sums up my current feelings.

bellinisurge · 24/01/2019 21:49

Pmk

IrenetheQuaint · 24/01/2019 21:51

Thanks Red. Stockpiling the Gin here

lonelyplanetmum · 24/01/2019 21:51

Thank you to Red. My place Cat is a screen shot of the MN ad that appears on Westminsterenders thread.

It's probably been commented on as I haven't caught up on this afternoons posts on the last thread.

This is the same company that has the government contract to operate Ramsgate to Ostend yes? Have they always advertised on MN? Weirder and weirder.

Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.
BestIsWest · 24/01/2019 21:53

Attempts to stockpile Gin failing here. Swig.

ZenNudist · 24/01/2019 21:55

Disappointed to see peoples vote amendment cant get the numbers to proceed. Am ambivalent about putting it back to the public but think this time sanity would prevail and its the best option for legitimising our only practical decisive course of action.

TokyoSushi · 24/01/2019 21:57

PMK thanks as always @RedToothBrush

Do I recall correctly that 'what to do in the event of no deal' for the general public was supposed to be released around now? What's happened to that?

Destiel · 24/01/2019 21:57

PMK

Quietrebel · 24/01/2019 21:57

lonely
I haven't seen that ad! But there are weird ones sometimes. I once saw an ad for MI6 recruitment lol

BigChocFrenzy · 24/01/2019 21:57

Thanks, red 💐

I'm expecting that if No Deal and No Extension are still on the table by early Feb, that the trickle of business of business leaving the country will be joined by some of the big employers
and
suddenly the public will start to panic

it'll get ugly, as Tory / far right Brexiters push back and deny furiously

They are already in the denial phase:
denial of any facts that would pop the unicorn ballons

They only need to keep it up until 29 March
then we'll be over the cliff
and they can do their profit-taking & emergency powers to keep all that wealth safe

BUT
If we get an extension, I don't think denial will keep working
certianly not for the year extension that the EU were suggesting, rather than just to 1 July

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:58

Trump is trying to cause war in Venezuela and has hinted at military assistance. It would not be because of oil and establishing it as American Oil would it?

Venezuela makes me really wonder about our own future for so many reasons.

JRM going all Charles 1 on us doesn't help matters.

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