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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:13

Yes, that’s the point - it is confusing. But that’s why it’s important that the proper name is taught at an early age and reinforced regularly.
To me it’s part of what I now see as approaching a deliberate effort to keep the population in a state of ignorance. How can one be an active citizen of a country when not even knowing its proper name?
Not to mention an electoral system not fit for purpose, vested interests in the media, yada, yada and so on...

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 09:15

news.sky.com/story/brexit-planners-could-use-martial-law-against-civil-disobedience-11619088?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
Brexit planners could use martial law against civil disobedience
Legislation would give ministers the power to impose curfews, travel bans, confiscate property and deploy the armed forces.

"travel bans"

sigh

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borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:15

Frumpety your littlest is a Star. And I don’t often give those!

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 09:18

Uh-Oh Bellini they can confiscate property...hide the stash!

bellinisurge · 27/01/2019 09:19

Already got plans @LonelyandTiredandLow Grin

1tisILeClerc · 27/01/2019 09:20

{ It was written 2000 years ago that there will be three wars and we have had two. }
I would like to call out UK, small minded, incorrect, 'BS'.
The bible wasn't written by anyone from Britain/UK/? but by people in the middle east who have had more than 2 wars.

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:21

And might be interested in this
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebyon_Kernow

MrsMacbeth · 27/01/2019 09:22

Setting record for most belated PMK!

Loletta · 27/01/2019 09:23

DS 2 (15) said "the United Kingdom of Ireland and Great Britain"
I'm impressed Grin

QueenieInFrance · 27/01/2019 09:23

Just your friendly reminder about what happens to democracy in states that declare martial law in self created, none conflict, none environmental disaster situations.

The reality is that there has already many instances where democracy has been trampled in the last two~three years.
The Wesminister threads have been highlighting them (Henry VIII powers amongst others).
Just as the fact the Army wouod end up in the street to keep some calm (as well as possible rationing).
The democracy in the U.K. is collapsing because BOTH parties have put their party and politics well before the country. A collapse of democracy is leading to that :(

The idea that 2/3 of MPs voted for No Deal when they voted for Art50 is Shock
But not much different than what we’ve hear in the last 3 months. Where things that were only a possibility, a bargaining chip, suddenly become what we were aiming for all along.

I still don’t understand why MPs and the overall ovulation isn’t waking up and refusing that outcome (which they still can)

FionaJT · 27/01/2019 09:25

Delurking for the first time in many many months to be proud that my Yr 9 Dd got it right. But that will be down to the fact that it's just the two of us in the house, Radio 4 is on all the time, she asks a lot if questions and I'm a history & politics graduate. She will be dropping history next year though :(

1tisILeClerc · 27/01/2019 09:25

And the next question will be, 'when did the British Empire finally end'?

Destiel · 27/01/2019 09:27

Ds1s history GCSE syllabus covers the Weimar republic and rise of Nazism but ends at 1939.

One reason he wants to go to a particular 6th form is because they do 2ww 1939-1945 which he is very interested in.

If things look like they will be really bad (martial law, civil unrest) I'm taking the kids and going to either Ireland or France to wait it out.

How, for the love of god, has it come to this?????

frumpety · 27/01/2019 09:28

Thank you born , he is an argumentative little toad at present, refused to believe Cornwall wasn't an actual country, when asked why he thought it was, he said it took 10 hours to get there, which is the same time it takes to get to America, there is a certain logic in that I suppose !

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 09:29

I'm actually considering buying a citizenship somewhere. I can't get my head around how far we have gone in 2 years against democracy.

So, if anyone wants to look at beaches and help me decide where to go with dd...escape plan

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:30

Well done to all who got it right or nearly right! Now I feel guilty that I’m not giving individual feedback, the teacher’s curse.

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 09:31

Meaning, the teacher’s burden, not expletive.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 09:33

1tisI - yes, I may have actually just been a bit very rude in my response to her Blush. Just another excuse to avoid responsibility for her vote IMO.

StoorieHoose · 27/01/2019 09:34

DD(12) said Scotland however as it around Burns Night and seemingly every lesson seems to fit him in somewhere it’s not surprising

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 27/01/2019 09:36

Brexit planners could use martial law against civil disobedience

Omg. What constitutes disobedience? Can’t wait to see how Brexiteers spin this as a sensible outcome.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 09:38

Would also like to point out I am not super rich!
I do however own my home, due to deaths in my family. No idea why I felt the need to explain that Confused. I'm sure I should feel bad about fleeing, or wanting to, but having a back up plan and stockpiling is helping with my anxiety.

BackInTime · 27/01/2019 09:40

Forward purchasing Grin

prettybird · 27/01/2019 09:43

If I were to ask ds which country he lived in, he'd say Scotland Smile If I were to ask him to say what the full name of the nation state we are currently Wink part of, he'd say unfortunately the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Smile

But I can't ask him as he's away studying Politics and International Relations at Uni Grin

frumpety · 27/01/2019 09:44

DH cannot understand how DD 'knows' so little, but I can, I remember not knowing stuff, I remember the age I was when I found out stuff, like what left and right meant politically and that newspapers had a political bias. I did A level Geography but wouldn't have been able to name all the counties in England, never mind Scotland, Wales or NI, even when I had completed and passed it !

Only yesterday DH was explaining how to work out the 24hr clock to DS and said you just take away 12 , no-one ever told me that !

jasjas1973 · 27/01/2019 09:46

Sorry i am as Remain as they come BUT talk of Marshal law, shooting people on the streets is ridiculous, lowers the tone of the debate and makes Remainers look as stupid as many say Leavers are!

May is using the same scare tactics that worked on Scotland and appears to working on here, to get her deal through.

IF she cannot, she will go to a plan B, which will be one of these; GE, PV or Revoke

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