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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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Sostenueto · 16/01/2019 18:18

prettybird how awful! Such a pretty cat. They are like family. My ole boy I had before my pup was 17 years old when he died in my arms. A great age for a staffie, the most loving dog I ever had and I cried for a very long time. I named him Caesar and now I have my Cleopatra! Flowers

1tisILeClerc · 16/01/2019 18:19

BCF and RTB are colluding, obviously neither will end up as Tory or Labour politicians!

BiglyBadgers · 16/01/2019 18:20

I was having a coffee with my dad today who reckoned that if we end up with a PV we shouldn't be focusing on trying to change minds but instead put our energy into ensuring the youth vote gets out there. I think this is a good point considering the time issue and how entrenched views seem to be. I'm now mulling over popping into the local uni with a bunch of flyers reminding students to register to vote, just in case a PV is called.

Loletta · 16/01/2019 18:23

My thoughts exactly Bigly. If there's another referendum, I'm going to enrol the help of my DS' sixth form friends and pester them to go out and vote.

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2019 18:24

Jim Pickard @pickardje
another sub-plot: Clark and Hammond were at one last night in reassuring executives that no-deal Brexit would be blocked. But that was totally at odds with Barclay, Brexit secretary, who argued that no-deal had to be kept on the table as a negotiating tool with EU.

I'd definitely not a politician of any current party.

Compromise is a dirty word in current politics.

Somerville · 16/01/2019 18:24

Yikes, LASH38, thanks for sharing that email. The more companies that give cistomers heads up like that the better. Not just to mitiagte against the problem of short expiries on passports, etc... but as a warning.

Somerville · 16/01/2019 18:24

Customers

icannotremember · 16/01/2019 18:24

Mhairi Black is fantastic. Disagreed with her majorly at Indy ref but what a talent she is.

Somerville · 16/01/2019 18:26

I sit at a table near to Cameron occasionally. (Just happen to be in the same place, I don't know him or his friends.) It's hard to hold my water!

BrieAndOatcakes · 16/01/2019 18:29

PMK

prettybird · 16/01/2019 18:29

Ds turned 18 in September, so hadn't been able to vote in the EU Referendum (although he had/has strong opinions). He hasn't registered yet at his Uni but he is on the electoral roll here - and has already voted in the local council elections last May.

If there is a GE and I don't expect that there will be as May/the Conservatives will cling on for dear death , I/he must investigate in which constituency his vote will have most value (iirc, both are SNP - but he needs to check which one, if either, is more vulnerable). If it is his Uni one, then he'd better get himself on the register there Grin. If there is a PV, it doesn't matter where he votes.

He will be out campaigning to get a Remain/Revoke vote amongst the students if there is a PV Smile

UnnecessaryFennel · 16/01/2019 18:30

PMK

SalrycLuxx · 16/01/2019 18:31

The VNC will fail because there aren’t the numbers. So this farce will drag on and on.

Sostenueto · 16/01/2019 18:34

Well dgds debating society at 6 th form has solved the issue of brexit. A swear box!

HesterThrale · 16/01/2019 18:35

Just watched Labour Party Pollitical broadcast on ITV. JC narrating a (admittedly good) ‘For the many not the few’ message.

Did NOT mention Brexit once. Hmmm.

Sostenueto · 16/01/2019 18:36

May not bother to watch vote as we know what the outcome will be ( sigh). Was there any abstainers on WA vote? Will there be abstainers tonight?

Lucygoeswalkies · 16/01/2019 18:36

Wow! I have finally caught up. Although very new here, I hope no one minds me saying how much I appreciate being able to read through these threads in attempt to make some kind of sense out of the astonishing debacle currently unfolding.

A few days ago I was starting to feel incredibly depressed about the way things are going. I don’t think I’m any less depressed - but it’s quite comforting to know I’m not the only one.

DangermousesSidekick · 16/01/2019 18:42

PMK with popcorn.

DGRossetti · 16/01/2019 18:42

One for this thread:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-46894843

A GP has praised the receptionist at a Glasgow surgery for silencing a patient who said they did not want to see an "Asian doctor".

Dr Punam Krishan took to Twitter to express her pride in her team - and described the positive response to her post as "uplifting".

She said the receptionist had explained that Dr Krishan was Scottish, only to be told: "She doesn't look Scottish."

The receptionist then replied: "What do Scottish people look like?"

Dr Krishan said this silenced the patient, who then took their appointment card.

(contd)

RedWineIsFabulous · 16/01/2019 18:45

Lucy

Just remember how astoshingly biased these threads are.

They are so pro Labour anyone would think it’s them posting in disguise GrinGrin

Lets not forget we have a man, sorry snake, calling a no confidence vote on the Government who he himself LOST a motion no confidence vote by HIS OWN party in June 2016. Yet here he still is.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/01/2019 18:48

I don't think Redwine can be reading theses threads properly.

TatianaLarina · 16/01/2019 18:50

Pretty much everyone on here is anti Corbyn even if they are erstwhile Labour voters.

Glitteryfrog · 16/01/2019 18:54

Can we get Tom Watson to be leader? Pretty please?

UnnecessaryFennel · 16/01/2019 18:54

Pro-Labour? Grin

Oh, bless you redwine, you funny little poppet.

prettybird · 16/01/2019 18:55

My old downstairs neighbours were a bit racist (told us we couldn't put our 2 bins - along with their 2, which they wanted to keep in our side of the garden - garden split left and right - near the bottom of the driveway because "That's what the Aians do" Shock which was actually wrong as it was what those, like us, that lived in split houses did Hmm)

When they sol, they told us it was "to a very nice couple, both GPs, he's Malaysian" ...... only once we'd met them, we found out he's a Scottish Sikh Indian Confused

But they are indeed lovely Grin

Ime, it's rare to come across such racism in Glasgow.