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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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JaneHare · 16/01/2019 18:56

Hate to say it, but Gove is on form.

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 18:57

Gosh, here's Gove's leadership speech! TM looks like she's going to vom 🤢

Ta1kinPeace · 16/01/2019 18:58

Place marking

PerverseConverse · 16/01/2019 18:58

Cripes, he's vile.

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 18:58

Ooh, Gove's practised this in front of Sarah Vine.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/01/2019 18:59

Gove is absolutely vile nasty awful.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/01/2019 18:59

He's not even trying to defend May.

prettybird · 16/01/2019 18:59

Gove is my tip for the next PM Shock (And just to be clear for people like Redwine who obviously hasn't read these threads very thorougly I can't stand the wee snake Angry

And for the record, I can't stand Corbyn - although I stopped voted Labour long before Corbyn came in, even though I am naturally left wing.

Sostenueto · 16/01/2019 19:00

Stabintheback Gove in full bullying mode.

PerverseConverse · 16/01/2019 19:00

I'm no fan of Corbyn but this kind of bashing is awful when it's Gove's government that's under scrutiny of a confidence vote. Deflect, divide, conquer?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 16/01/2019 19:01

I have images of them turning into braying donkeys sat there on their seats.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 16/01/2019 19:01

Gove is on fire here.

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 19:02

Jeez!! Is it wrong that I love the 'Division!! Clear the lobby!!' Call?!

PerverseConverse · 16/01/2019 19:02

From those calls it looks like she'll win the no confidence vote. I don't trust any of them but hope she'll make the right decisions for us. Eventually 😩

jasjas1973 · 16/01/2019 19:02

Yes at a time of national crisis, when the conservatives are supposed to "reaching out" across Parliament... Gove is laying down his credentials to be the next PM....

UnnecessaryFennel · 16/01/2019 19:02

Gove owning the House, staking his claim to leadership.

Which is terrifying for all of us.

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 19:02

Gove is unstable, though, and rarely has the courage of his convictions.

TokyoSushi · 16/01/2019 19:03

Cross party talks though, that looks like it's going to go well...

MissMalice · 16/01/2019 19:04

So painfully bored of the pantomime politics. Vicky Pollard yeah but no but. Ffs.

Sostenueto · 16/01/2019 19:04

Every time I see Gove I have the urge to get hold of his ears and drag him for a considerable distance through brambles!BlushAngry

AutumnCrow · 16/01/2019 19:05

Does anyone know how the MPs actually vote when through the division lobbies? Is it by paper or by name shouted to tellers?

BiglyBadgers · 16/01/2019 19:08

So those two new aircraft carriers Gover mentioned during his leadership speech...think we can convert them into ferries...?

DangermousesSidekick · 16/01/2019 19:08

I believe they simply walk into either the 'aye' or 'no' lobbies and are counted as they do so.

SalrycLuxx · 16/01/2019 19:09

There are two lobbies. The one to the right is for voting yes and the one to the left is for voting no. They open the doors and the MPs walk through the lobbies. As they walk-through they are recognised and counted by the tellers. Voting time ends when the speaker shouts lock the doors. The count is then made, read out loud to the house by the speaker, and then he shouts unlock which means unlock the doors.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 16/01/2019 19:10

PMK - thank you bigchoc !

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