The deal has been rejected by Parliament

[MongerTruffle]

What will happen now?

I'm on a local FB page. People are starting to get annoyed at the amount of stabbings and who they are being committed by.

Who are they committed by?

Eastern Europeans.

I'm a big fat bigot

The cap would appear to fit rather snugly

Google stabbings in London. I've no horse in the race. I'm just saying what the sentiment on the ground is.

Oh, OK. You're not a racist, you're just spreading racist views online. That's fine then.

The leave campaign never promised to stay in SM. Tory manifesto also said leave SM and leave CU. More people voted for that than any other party.

What is racist? What race am I hating?

JC is refusing to meet with TM unless she rules out no deal first. He has sat down with IRA but won't sit down with TM. Other leaders have sat down with her this evening.

Perhaps he sees TM as less likely to broker a deal than the IRA.

The vast majority of Leave voters are wilfully ignorant, vicious mugs. They are much happier blaming 'forriners' for their troubles and believing all the bullshit thrown at them by the people who are actually responsible for their troubles - the mostly white, mostly male, mostly rich people who have been actively spreading propaganda which encourages the disadvantaged to turn on each other, than in looking at where the real harm is coming from.
As PP have said, the idea that it was 'fear of being racist' which stopped the police from dealing with the grooming gangs is not really the case: it was more to do with the entrenched view that girls in care were silly little scrubbers who didn't really matter. You know, that view that allowed Catholic priests to get away with abusing children for decades. And don't forget Jimmy Savile, another monster who preyed mainly on the vulnerable, who could easily be dismissed as silly liars and troublemakers and 'ungrateful'.

Google stabbings in London. I've no horse in the race. I'm just saying what the sentiment on the ground is.

So I have just googled “stabbings London 2018”, and I see a lot of Somalian, Bangladeshi, Turkish and black British teenagers (which would fit with the ethnic makeup of the areas these stabbings happened in). Plus a fair amount of DV. And a lot of police statements about “county lines” gangs, and the fact that most perpetrators are teenagers themselves.

Goodness, Polish children really do have beef with lots of other ethnicities, don’t they? Or maybe your racist FB friends are talking shit.

Again with the race card. What race am I hating on?

'London stabbings' is the new Russia Today/alt right/Bannon dogwhistle.

A bit like 'Soros ... elites ... conspiracy'.

Apparently, stabbings are the result of having a Muslim mayor and EU immigration.

Not austerity and under-funding of intervention programmes/community policing.

It's all over the place on the internet.

It pops up in comments sections and twitter replies in the most random way - often with quite strange spelling. And posted by someone with a v odd avatar and numbers after their posting name.

My advice: any post you see wimbling in about this particular trope, imagine the troll farm in Russia in which it originated, or the weird MAGA types, frothing around in a masturbatory frenzy as they dream up ways to get everyone as riled up and bonkers as they are.

Then ignore.

“Again with the race card. What race am I hating on?”

No idea. Why don’t you tell us?

I live in London and about stabbings whenever they happen, in papers and local news sites, and I still have no idea what they have to do with the EU.

There is only the occasional stabbing where a EU national is involved.

It’s almost always local gangs. More EU victims than criminals.

Knife crime is really only an EU issue in so far as most victims and perpetrators are currently EU citizens- ie British........

The stabbings in London are committed by Eastern European's?

So wrong its fucking funny.

Just a few stats on London murders.

Higher every year during the 90s and 2000s than it was last or this year. Higher in number, and higher per head of the population. This actually means that London was far more dangerous in the 90s when it had a smaller number of non-British nationals living there.

But your posts show you don't deal in facts.

Just prejudice.

Isn't a lot of the London violence linked to organised gangs and criminals? It's exploded since the 80s. I've seen headlines before about Britain being the organised crime capital of the EU (another good reason why they might like to be rid of us, and why we need to maintain links with EU law enforcement). I found this article I remembered reading. Point is, it's international, all sorts of nationalities. I don't think it's an easy fix. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/22/uk-organised-crime-can-police-catch-up-national-crime-agency-lynne-owens

I still think that including criminal profits in the GDP figures semi-legalises it. The biggest crooks are at the top.

Also as of 2017, more likely to be murdered in North Wales, Manchester and a few other places than London.

Boris really? Shame they don't make the "national" news then isn't it, and the national concern focuses on London. I wonder why that could possibly be.

Its rolling news and smartphones

In the 80s,90s, and 2000s we didn't have either and local news didn't tend to get reported nationally.

Oh and the London numbers look bigger, so are easier to understand and make a fuss out of.

carer - I don't know what JC hopes to achieve by laying his own 'red lines' around if he will talk to TM or not. All very well saying take No Deal off the table first but the EU needs to agree to that too, even tho they obviously don't want a No Deal either. It's a stupid powerplay and will backfire on him - he's reduced considerably in my estimation now.

If he did, and discussions were moving towards finding Parliamentary agreement, the UK could ask for an extension to the Article 50 deadline, which I think the EU would grant.

Parliament needs to agree on a WA version and take that back to the EU.

ReanimatedSGB, all the leavers I know are not worried about immigration etc, but are concerned about the EU's conversion into a federalist state, as Dangermouse said. Common Market is one thing, big political state is something else.