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The deal has been rejected by Parliament

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MongerTruffle · 15/01/2019 19:42

What will happen now?

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BertrandRussell · 16/01/2019 11:23

As an aside, there might well have been an element of not wanting to appear racist among the police - particularly after the revelations of institutional racism and a toxic canteen culture in many forces. People are always saying things like “You can’t say anything these days” and “ You wouldn’t say that about Islam” No reason the police should be any more understanding of the issues than any other group- Mumsnetters for example.

surferjet · 16/01/2019 11:31

When respect for culture & religion trumps protecting vulnerable children, I think we’ve created a bit of a crazy world.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/01/2019 11:33

surfer

Abso-fucking-luteley

StealthPolarBear · 16/01/2019 11:35

You did toe to toe.

surferjet · 16/01/2019 11:35

Sorry, just realised this is a thread about rejecting the deal so I’ll stop talking about Rotherham - apologies for slight derail.

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HopeMumsnet · 16/01/2019 11:35

Hi all,
We're just posting to say that we've had many reports about the tone and direction of this thread and we'd like to enlist your help to keep things on track.
This type of discussion can attract subtly racist posts, which we delete.
If you see anything which breaks the talk guidelines, please do report and we'll take action. We want the conversation to flow, of course, and we know that people have differing opinions but where we think any poster is being disingenuous we do need to act.

BertrandRussell · 16/01/2019 12:02

“When respect for culture & religion trumps protecting vulnerable children, I think we’ve created a bit of a crazy world.”

Are you somehow expecting people to disagree?

BorisBogtrotter · 16/01/2019 12:10

"When respect for culture & religion trumps protecting vulnerable children, "

But it wasn't respect for the culture and religion. As said, the Police are unafraid to arrest Asian men for other crimes. Why is it so different here.

I feel the "it might look racist" argument is something added in after in a hope to save the skins of those involved.

BertrandRussell · 16/01/2019 12:22

It’s a thing racists say a lot- “You can’t say anything these days or you’ll get accused of racism”

They generally mean “You can’t say anything racist these days or you’ll be called out on your racism.

oreoxoreo · 16/01/2019 13:25

The Leave campaign promised to stay in the single market, so I wish leavers didn't spin a lie saying they always wanted a no deal!

May refused election, referendum, her deal has been defeated! Doesn't she realise she is cornered? You can't move forward if you refused all options.

Giving people the vote back and then following it through would be the best way.

jasjas1973 · 16/01/2019 13:28

But it wasn't respect for the culture and religion. As said, the Police are unafraid to arrest Asian men for other crimes. Why is it so different here

As i understand it, the main problem was the attitude shown by Police and SS toward the girls in question, they were not believed and were considered part of the problem, rather than victims of terrible crimes.

But i do agree with SJ and others that a fear of questioning migration out of fear of being a called racist hasn't helped the situation, whether that was real or imagined i don't know.

Yeah its become a bit of a derailed thread.

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 15:59

Well we've seen on this thread, a poster being deleted for holding pro Brexit views. It's crazy.

BertrandRussell · 16/01/2019 16:02

She was not deleted for holding pro Brexit views. She was deleted for overt racism. They are not, obviously, the same thing.

BorisBogtrotter · 16/01/2019 16:04

It seems people calling her out on it got deleted too.

SillySallySingsSongs · 16/01/2019 16:05

Well we've seen on this thread, a poster being deleted for holding pro Brexit views. It's crazy.

No they were deleted for racism and pro remainers have been deleted for nastiness and vile name calling of anyone who didn't agree with them.

Bluntness100 · 16/01/2019 16:12

100% of guys working in construction for example, would be pro Brexit

This would be like turkeys voting for Xmas. There would be little to no construction if we crash out with no deal and a huge percentage of them would be out of work.

Personally I know the ceo of a very large building company and they are, like other big businesses, expressing their desire to get the deal through or stay in, as they will likely go under if they don't. At the time of the referendum I was having work done, and of the four men at my home, only one voted to leave, the young labourer, the rest were dismayed with him, I heard them. He did it because he " thought everyone was voting leave".

It may well be 100 percent of people you know, but it's certainly not 100 percent of people in construction.

KennDodd · 16/01/2019 16:15

@ToeToToe

You should have a look at Vote Leave on Facebook. Leave voters reputation for racism didn't come from nowhere, you can see it in it's full unashamedly glory over there.

Jux · 16/01/2019 20:59

My (millionnaire) ex-boss voted leave, as did all my colleagues except the one who owns a house in France and whose dd lives in Italy. DH and dbro voted leave too.

None of them are racist. None of them are or were remotely bothered about immigration and immigrants; indeed they all agreed with me that our lifestyle, our economy, the NHS etc would collapse without immigrants, and are jolly grateful that they're here, and prepared to put up with years of austerity. All of them (the leavers I've mentioned) know very well that the UK needs immigrants.

My ex-bos and colleagues wanted to leave because they didn't like the direction the EU is going. They don't like the way Germany was tryng to make the Union more than a trading floor. They don't want to lose currency, sovereignty etc. While they do like FOM they were prepared to sacrifice it. I have explained that badly, I know, but it's not actually my own position so I've done my best, as people are still thinking that all leavers hate immigrants, when it's just not so.

I found it hard to decide, being surrounded by leavers, but in the end I voted remain.

Bluntness100 · 16/01/2019 21:22

But our currency wasn't at risk?

XingMing · 16/01/2019 22:12

Only bigots hate immigrants. Most people are grateful for their skills and energy and are pleased to have the option of what they bring to the party. I do think, in the abstract, how much more useful work they could do in their own countries if they applied that energy and vitality to making things better at home, politically and economically, than chasing the dollar. The magnetism of western culture strips the best from the places it's most needed. I wonder if it would be sensible to combine a short term travel visa with a financial inducement to return home that could be cashed in several years after creating a business.

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 22:13

Jux. The crux of the matter is that you voted to remain. Nobody cares about your colleagues and your interpretation of their reasons.

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 22:14

I'm a big fat bigot. As are 52% of the population.

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 22:17

I'm on a local FB page. People are starting to get annoyed at the amount of stabbings and who they are being committed by.

abbsisspartacus · 16/01/2019 22:26

almutasakieun,

52 % of the people who voted not 52% of the population

DangermousesSidekick · 16/01/2019 22:43

Some of us are interested in the reasons actually, if only to give us some hope that this is not going to be a total breakdown. A lot of the reasonable leave voters have said that EU's conversion from a trading market into a federalist state of its own is the issue.

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