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Westminstenders: The WA Vote ReDux

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RedToothBrush · 12/01/2019 23:01

Tuesday is scheduled to be the date of the Withdrawal Agreement Vote.

The current expectation is it will fail to pass. Badly.

If this is the case then May will have to report to the HoC about what her Plan B is within 3 sitting days under Grieve IV - by the end of Monday 21st January (which was the original date that Grieve III set).

Its being reported that if it fails that May will make some sort of statement either late on Tuesday or Wednesday before flying to Brussels in order to try and calm the markets.

This weekend has been full of politicking to position to get the WA to pass. Some of this is to push those who think that May will revoke or extent which will endanger leaving and some of it is to push those who fear no deal. Nothing is likely to be exactly what it appears.

The feeling is that No10 is currently working more to keep the defeat as small as possible in order to keep alive the possibility of representing the WA to parliament at a later date.

This week has seen big announcements from the car industry; none of which have been unexpected and some of which were connected to technology change and were likely to have been an inevitability to some extent, but the timing the week before the vote should also focus some minds.

We've had the news that 4000 civil servants from the following departments - Defence, International Development, Work and Pensions and the Education department - being lined up to handle no deal brexit, with secondments of up to 6 months. (The idea that staff from W&P might be moved with all the problems with UC is mind boggling).

We've also had the rumour that May has spoken to the Tory MEPs to inform them that if there is a chance of extending a50 and this means the UK would take part in June's European Elections. Many of the newspapers have been reporting this weekend that there is a high chance that the UK will not leave the EU on the 29th March as scheduled leading to the pound rising to its highest level in 7 months.

Dominic Grieve has stated the following, and I think its worth keeping an eye on.

Jack Maidment @jrmaidment
Dominic Grieve: Govt should immediately remove Brexit date from domestic law if it loses on Tuesday.

"without doing that there is no point in going to the EU and asking for an extension because we would still be crashing out and that would have to be, I think, a top priority"

It has been somewhat misinterpreted in some quarters as Grieve suggesting we change the UK's exit date. Its not. Its a reference to how UK law has a date set in it, so even if we did get an extension UK law would in effect automatically exit us legally on a domestic level, even if on an international level we were still members. This creates a bit of an issue whereby parliament would have to vote to make this change somehow, which would need to be facilitated by the government in some way - which means coming from the PM which obviously will be somewhat problematic for the cohesiveness of the Tory Party.

Indeed The Sunday Telegraph is tonight reporting that the Tories are on the brink of an historic split, with Brexiteers and Remainers both threatening to 'torpedo the Government if they do not get their way on Brexit'.

Pro-EU Mps are claiming that a third of the Cabinet would resign if May pursued a no deal Brexit and that several senior minsters want May to immediately open talks with Labour MPs about a compromise involving a permanent customs union if her deal is defeated by a large margin.

Steve Baker is warning that this would risk a split in the party 'akin to the schism prompted by Robert Peel's repeal of the corn laws'. And Bernard Jenkin has said that any attempt to change the exit date or strike a deal with the Labour Party would destroy the Conservative Party. For once, its hard to argue with either of them and say they are completely wrong.

Of course this also doesn't seem to fit with Labour's plans. The Observer is reporting that Corbyn plans to table a dramatic vote of no confidence in May as early as Tuesday evening in an attempt to force a GE. This is, to put it bluntly, fucking ridiculous. He would only need 7 Tory / DUP rebels (on top of the rest of the house) or some abstainers but it remains to be seen who these would be. A three line whip for Tuesday night, including for all unwell MPs is in effect for Labour.

Both the Mail on Sunday and The Sunday Times lead with similar stories about changing the rules of the HoC in order to effectively sideline the PM. The Mail refers to it as a plot between Grieve and Bercow, but the Times is much more broad stating:

A cross party group of senior backbenchers - including former Tory Ministers - plan what one senior figure branded a "very British coup" if May loses the crunch vote on her Brexit deal on Tuesday

At least two groups of rebel MPs are plotting to change Commons rules so motions proposed by backbenchers take precedence over government business, upending the centuries old relationship between executive and legislature.

Downing Street believe that would enable MPs to suspend article 50, putting Brexit on hold, and could even lead to the referendum result being overturned - a move that would plunge the country into a constitutional crisis.

The funny thing about all this news is at no point have I seen discussed whether we could extend a50 as it stands - as thats down to the EU. And at no point have I seen anything about how the EU would facilitate ratifying the WA at the eleventh hour if we have to go for round 2.

Indeed the growing feeling does seem to be largely that one way or another the WA is dead in the water if it has a large defeat. The question is perhaps now, what will the ERG do in this context? Will they plough on trying to persue No Deal? Because that too would surely lead to a split in the Tory party in some way.

A cross party group referred to the 'Norway Group' (Boles, Letwin, Morgan and Kinock) are apparently planning according to Boles, to make No Deal illegal.

So to put it mildly, next week is looking absoluetely mind blowingly crazy and likely to be explosive in some way or another.

And finally. Here's a handy tool for you.
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RedToothBrush · 13/01/2019 00:05

The EU could offer her asylum. By Wednesday she might well need it.

What kind of asylum might be on offer, might however, get lost in translation.

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1tisILeClerc · 13/01/2019 00:07

I would think an onward flight to Switzerland would be likely.
Drop a letter off, then back to the airport.

nicoala1 · 13/01/2019 00:16

I would resign if the WA is lost.

What's the point in staying on FGS. She fought the good fight and was resilient. But silly lol, off to the Alps and walk away.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2019 00:18

iirc, about 85% of British lamb is exported to the EU

Vince Cable on No Deal:

"there is a paper at the moment in Defra setting out a plan for slaughtering a third of all British sheep in order to maintain the integrity of the market.
That is an inevitable consequence of a high tariff obstructing British exports."

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/sir-vince-cable-a-no-deal-brexit-trade-off-is-price-not-worth-paying-why-we-will-be-worse-off-under-wto-terms-1-9531363

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2019 00:22

Is May going to sneak onto the continent via a rubber dinghy ?

The EU are probably pretty fed up listening to her talk at them with her ears stopped up,
so they may be out of town on urgent business elsewhere, if she flies in as usual.

nicoala1 · 13/01/2019 00:25

Interesting week to come. Talk about down to the wire though.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 13/01/2019 00:27

Thanks so much red.

lonely this is horrific for everyone. I can’t imagine going through it with a sick daughter Flowers

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2019 00:29

James Patrick retweeted PropOrNot ID Service@propornot

The individual in charge of “security” for the #YellowVests/#giletsJaunes in France

just happens to have spent time sfighting for the Russian forces invading & occupying Ukraine
🤔

Westminstenders: The WA Vote ReDux
RedToothBrush · 13/01/2019 00:32

If a third of our sheep are slaughtered how is the countryside in those areas maintained? What happens to it? Who uses the land?

The land that sheep are kept on, is usually not suitable for much else as its often steep and hilly country.

I guess we could build a bunch of houses on it. A nice big spanking new Taylor Wimpey development in the Peak District would be cracking and cheer up the dog walkers no end.

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2019 00:37

James Feltonn@JimMFelton*

“What do we want?”
“Justice for our boys”
“Nice”
“Brexit”
“Yeah put that down”
“Child abuse”
“Sorry?”
“ABUSE OF CHILDREN IN THE SYSTEM”
“Uh”
“VETERAN SUICIDES”
“Let me take a look at that list, Ian”

Westminstenders: The WA Vote ReDux
ConfessionalProfessional · 13/01/2019 00:39

Please, please let the WA pass on Tuesday or at least pass next time.

Brexit has driven people insane, disproportionately going to their heads. We need to get back to other items. Revoking, extending, no-dealing, second referendum- it is all just so much more time dealing with the fallout - and there is no majority for any of those options.

It will be a negotiated exit - that was the manifesto commitment of the two main parties. So let’s just accept that this WA is the negotiated deal. Not great, but fuck it let’s get on here.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2019 00:41

red Are you old enough to remember the funeral pyres of just about the entire British beef herd, to stop BSE ?

Much of the country covered by smoke and horrible smells of a ruined industry that took years to recover
Some markets are still ruined - I've not seen British Beef in the shops in Germany since the BSE crisis broke

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 13/01/2019 00:51

Shock at that yellow vest “manifesto” Hmm I mean what the hell even is that thing? It makes no sense at all.

It’s as if these people think they can just “ask the universe” for something and it will magically appear. If it doesn’t magically appear they will tantrum verbally abuse MPs and threaten to riot.

RedToothBrush · 13/01/2019 01:05

I mean what the hell even is that thing? It makes no sense at all.

Ever seen a BNP leaflet? They are 'special'. And not for the racism.

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Sostenueto · 13/01/2019 04:25

Place marking. Thanks for new thread red

lonelyplanetmum · 13/01/2019 06:22

Pla(i)ce Catkin, because I think we may need cats this week. With thanks and greatest respect to RTB who produced such a sterling OP.

Although I'm not sure that 'sterling' is a compliment anymore.

The long awaited week looms or should that be loons? Cats at the ready.

nuttynutjob · 13/01/2019 06:30

Plaice cat/mat king

The snow! Don't forget oncoming snow just to make the events more dramatic.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/01/2019 07:08

Is the Yellow vest thing real or a spoof?

In fact, is life real or a spoof?

Thanks Red!

DoctorTwo · 13/01/2019 07:19

Thanks for the new thread RedToothBrush. As a football manager once said, it's squeaky bum time.

AutumnCrow · 13/01/2019 07:22

Thanks, Red.

Just catching up on those front pages.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/01/2019 07:24

The weather forecast ain't going to help. This week it will be mostly ok. The following week... well, it could be an issue for some parts.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 13/01/2019 07:41

Thanks red

bellinisurge · 13/01/2019 07:54

Fab op, Red. Thank you.

DarkArts · 13/01/2019 07:54
Brew
Wait4nothing · 13/01/2019 08:05

Thanks red

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