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Westministenders: Passing the Buck

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 14:24

There's a deal.

The press are over excited.

May has united the country.

Everyone hates it.
(Apart from David Allen Green)

Parliament might yet reject it.

Nothing is yet decided and everything is still to be sorted.

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woman11017 · 14/11/2018 17:51

@bbclaurak
No press conference tonight in Number 10 but there will still be a statement after Cabinet finishes - whenever that is

Flowers red and all Smile

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 17:51

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
No press conference tonight in Number 10 but there will still be a statement after Cabinet finishes - whenever that is

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 17:52

BBC news reporting a leak that there will be no resignations tonight, but if May doesn't change her mind that might change...

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 17:54

Jennifer Rankin @JenniferMerode
Brussels update: Michel Barnier's deputy, Sabine Weyand, told EU ambassadors, Barnier ready to recommend "decisive progress" IF London gives the green light on the package.

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Cailleach1 · 14/11/2018 17:54

twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1062276361145012224

The Belfast Agreement was not that if the UK ever left the EU, Northern Ireland would stay under EU jurisdiction. But if Ireland & the EU insists that's what it was, then so much the worse for the Belfast Agreement & it'll have to go when we leave the EU.

So much for democracy. This little general wants to rip up an agreement between two sovereign states. One in which the population of the subject of the agreement voted overwhelmingly for it to come into being.

Little ayatollah is a phrase which comes to mind.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 17:58

Kate McCann @KateEMcCann
Eeeep! Number 10 now saying PM WILL make short statement outside Downing St when Cabinet is over. Nick Hurd “mis-spoke” in the Commons when he said there wouldn’t be one ... 🚨

facepalm

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mostdays · 14/11/2018 18:00

Hmmm, I said earlier that I think May will get the deal through, but tbh I am at this point utterly confused (as is clearly the fashion in Britain in 2018). Hoey, Skinner and Stringer are apparently planning to vote against it. Will the ERG also do so? Clarke and other Tory Remainers are likely to vote against it (not sure of Soubry though). The DUP seem poised to do so (and I think I read somewhere earlier about them no longer being involved in certain communications so the confidence and supply deal may be dead).

I am so sick of this.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 18:00

Benjamin Kentish @BenKentish
Hugely embarrassing. Home Office minister Nick Hurd tells Commons the government recognises "considerable concern" from MPs about due process and as such PM will brief Parliament before media.

Then No 10 says, er no, she won't.

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 18:04

Tom Rayner @RaynerSkyNews
Conor Burns: “I have consistently said we don’t want to change the PM, we want to change the policy of the PM. However there comes a point where if the PM is insistent that she will not change the policy, then the only way to change the policy is to change the personnel”
Of ERG mood: “we are frustrated, we are angry, but we still hope that the PM can be prevailed upon to think again. The arithmetic in the commons is such that the deal as she is proposing it is unlikely to pass in legislation”

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Sounds - from Conor Burns to Sky and ERG sources to me - like the ERG has today switched position and now support letters of No Confidence to Graham Brady

Previously Jacob Rees Mogg was telling colleagues not to try and force change of leader

But we have been here before, and Brady no confidence letter predictions often wrong. Other than being febrile, be certain of nothing

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ClashCityRocker · 14/11/2018 18:06

Jesus. Is there no end to this lots Incompetence?

I can see Labour abstaining.

BestIsWest · 14/11/2018 18:08

I haven’t done the maths so just surmising here. Suppose Labour abstain and she just gets it through, will she have pissed off the DUP to such an extent that she can’t rely on them any longer to firm a majority government?

Butterymuffin · 14/11/2018 18:08

So in summary, nothing will happen tonight, unless it does.

TetherEnding · 14/11/2018 18:10

It's a total shitfest Glitterball

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 18:10

Pretty much Buttery.

I'm not optimistic nor anywhere near as over excited as every journalist on twitter.

I am still seeing this as another false start where nothing comes to fruition at present.

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 18:11

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Senior tory tells me Brexiteer anger so high that seems likely there will be a call for no confidence vote tomorrow - letters going in -

well thats now the THIRD source saying that.

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Hazardswan · 14/11/2018 18:13

Trying to work out of labour abstain will it get through? Some labour MPs will vote anyway, mine has said their voting down a deal since early this year.

She needs 320, Tories are at 315 + 10 DUPs. DUPs threatening a revolt, ERG say they have 80 MPs who will rebel. So May won't hit the 320 target would she?

If mps abstain does the threshold lower?

I'm Confused

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 18:13

Peter Foster @pmdfoster
As we wait for #Brexit white smoke from Downing Street, the difficulties of the Cabinet swallowing this deal become clear, as does selling it on both sides of the Channel.

^There is an alternate reading of @WeyandSabine
remarks to EU ambassadors leaked to @BrunoBrussels ...^

While London reads this as an EU 'victory' statement, that they have got the UK exactly where they want us - stuck in a Customs Union for the foreseeable, the EU side remains anxious about level playing-field, fishing rights etc /2

So on that reading, Weyand was 'selling' the deal to the EU side, because they were worried it was "too generous" to the Brits, and didn't do enough. And yet the narrative in London is completely the opposite. Brexit in a nutshell. A dialogue of the deaf. ENDS

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bellinisurge · 14/11/2018 18:14

If MPs abstain the threshold lowers. As I understand it.

PostNotInHaste · 14/11/2018 18:14

Placemarking and thought you might all appreciate a copy of Conor Burn’s letter to a constituent to pass the time whilst waiting .

Westministenders: Passing the Buck
RedToothBrush · 14/11/2018 18:15

SNP saying that Scotland having to compete with NI - who have a better lot than them - would be the worst of all worlds and they can't vote for anything which doesn't keep them in the Single Market and Customs Union.

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thecatfromjapan · 14/11/2018 18:17

💐

Hazardswan · 14/11/2018 18:18

Thanks bellni I'm still very new to politics!

woman11017 · 14/11/2018 18:18

While we're staring at anarchy in trumpton, they are forcibly secreting our friends and neighbours onto planes. To destination unknown.

Kweku Adoboli deported to Ghana on flight from Heathrow

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/14/kweku-adoboli-rogue-trader-ubs-deported-ghana-heathrow?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Brexit is racism. Silence is collaboration.

bellinisurge · 14/11/2018 18:18

Anyone who isn't a small minded bigot should have seen as a fantastic opportunity for NI to get the best of both trading worlds - steppingstone to EU and UK market. Hong Kong had this pre-return to China after the rent deal expired. Still has it to an extent.
But no, "the sash my father wore ..." was more important to those DUP loons.

IrenetheQuaint · 14/11/2018 18:18

What on earth did the Brexiteers expect? We were always going to get a deal vaguely along these lines because of NI.

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