Westministenders: Passing the Buck

[RedToothBrush]

There's a deal.

The press are over excited.

May has united the country.

Everyone hates it.
(Apart from David Allen Green)

Parliament might yet reject it.

Nothing is yet decided and everything is still to be sorted.

Don't forget there are already some letters in. Andrea Jenkyns put hers in months ago and hasn't withdrawn it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3424487-The-whole-shit-show-can-hardly-be-blamed-on-Theresa-May-can-it?trending=1

Interesting thread here where most people, from one side or the other, say that they actually think TM has done the best job that she couod in the given circumstances.
Interesting to see that our politicians seem to think this is the best time to throw their toys out of the pram.
I’m not sure people are going to forgive them if then end result if that is a No Deal.

Maybe it’s time for them to go back to ‘the will of the people’ and check what people actually want..... and it’s not them having some internal fight for power.

To be fair to the Corbyn critter .... he damn well knows that the slightest peep out of him, and the media have an excuse not to pillory the Tories.

It is frustrating, but when the game is rigged ...

More crap news

Andrea says she isn't resigning today.

I was watching the H of C then popped out. Chuka Umunna asked if there would be impact assessments comparing the WA proposal (presumably the temporary CU ?) with what we have now.

May replied there would be full figures comparing this deal with the alternatives?

I'm confused because until 2020 we are in transition. Then we are either in extension or backstop.

So whilst I'm liking Chuka's question how would any new impact assessments add anything to the ones we eventually got before?

Also why did May hedge about whether any comparison would be with no deal or what we have now?

Andrea says she isn't resigning today.

Colour me surprised.

I don't like Corbyn but he could run around parliament square naked right now and no one would notice because they're all watching the Tories.

Ben Weisz @BenRTWeisz
Eastbourne Lib Dem @StephenLloydEBN tells BBC Sussex he’ll honour his #ge2017 pledge and vote FOR whatever Brexit deal is put before Parliament

Radical Association @RadicalAssoc
This is awful - nobody voted for May's botched deal, and Stephen Lloyd cannot expect to retain the support of the @LibDems as a party if he votes directly against one of our core constitutional objectives.

We call on @vincecable, with regret, to withdraw the whip from Stephen.

The LD Stasi are on the case too.

Rory manages to look both 12 and 45 at the same time. It's very odd.

Terrible government and a terrible opposition.

Looks like we're fucked.

Darren Grimes @darrengrimes_
Woah! Justice Minister Rory Stewart says Rees-Mogg speaking with "pompous language" and selling "medieval fantasy" when he warns of UK becoming vassal state under this deal.

We have to take EU rules without a say and accept EU tariffs without a say, how is that NOT vassal state?

Etonian chivalry and loyalty has died.

I guess that means a Tory leadership battle is definitely on.

I don't like Corbyn but he could run around parliament square naked right now and no one would notice because they're all watching the Tories.

Not true ... even on MN, all people want to talk about is his anorak.

Napoleons observation on how to win battles has never been so true. And it's a typically sneaky communist trick to use advice from a foreigner ....

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Alan Duncan: “The right need to realise that in all likelihood anyone from their number who take over from her would not be able to form a government”

Robert Wright @RKWinvisibleman
What if the Tories had just gone into some kind of therapy in around, say, 2009? I don't know whether they needed group counselling or some kind of psychoanalysis for the party as a whole, but what if they'd done it? Might the muddle have been avoided?

Not true ... even on MN, all people want to talk about is his anorak. I hope an anorak is the most he is in charge of.

If you are wondering why she won't hold a 2nd referendum:

Most voters are more like our recent visitor than they are like other Westministenders They can't / don't understand the issues and don't attempt to...

..She's trying to keep options open and let the slightly less ignorant voters in the HoC decide

Or of course, the nuclear option, if she indeed is able to revoke
but that would destroy her party...

In my more charitable moments I do wonder if she's playing a very risky, expensive,damaging long game.

All the emphasis ' will of the people' stuff could be preparation for another look at the people's will but only when the timing is right? When she's sure that the 'no dealers' are a minority?

'They shoot horses,,,don't they'?

I did enjoy JRM struggling to make himself heard over the cries of stop brexit as he insisted the majority of the country still wants brexit.

Steve Baker MP @SteveBakerHW
My letter to Sir Graham Brady of 22 October, when the Prime Minister's article in The Sun persuaded me we could not separate the person from the policy. Sadly, the situation has only worsened in the intervening period.

FIVE

Is she trying to get as many 'established' top Tories to resign, then at the last possible moment perform a superb triple twist pirouette type thing and scribble 'Remain' on the EU notepaper?

Having not watched ant HoC stuff before but looking at it a bit earlier today, I am not sure all of them have twigged the Boer war has ended.

@Mrsr8 - don't think it's binary....yet. There is an outside possibility of more minor concessions from the EU given that their failure to do enough prompted Cameron to set us on this ghastly path.
But I am clutching at straws.