Westministenders: Game Over?

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May has a draft deal which she has presented to the Cabinet. Woohooo!

The catch is, it doesn't mention the Irish Border. Just a minor point. This is because she has no way forward on it. There are so many red lines from so many different groups shes tangled up in knots with them.

She wrote a letter to the DUP to tell them to suck it up. Arlene has told her to stick it. And if she hadn't told her to stick it, Scottish Tories would have told her to stick it. David Davis has told her to stick it. Rees-Moog has told her to stick it. And this afternoon, one of the Ministers for Queues at Dover, Jo Johnson, told her to stick it and that we need a people's vote. On top of that, her plans to try and get cross party support and get the Labour Party to support it, have suffered a blow as Momentum voted to tell May to stick it.

In fact it might be harder to think of people who WILL support it.

Not that this is a surprise. We've all be aware of this for some time. Is it finally game over?

The government have at least seemingly realised that this month is the last opportunity they have for a deal. Dominic has also realised that Dover is quite close to France and this is quite a big deal.

The EU pushed back their meeting until the 27th. This coincidentally is the same day there is a decision over a50 at the ECJ and the right to revoke.

If May can't get her act together over the Irish Border, this might yet prove to be the last option open to her, to prevent Brexmaggeddon.

Jo Johnson is not too far from the mark with vassalage or chaos? Take your pick Mrs May.

Someone posted earlier This is actually like a poker game, with peoples lives and livelihoods as the chips. Bloody scary.

I saw someone interviewed on either BBC Breakfast or Sky News saying that it wasn't poker - it was Russian Roulette.

That really is scary

Minister: "Two members of the Cabinet will resign today". Me: "Who?" Minister: "Penny Mordaunt and Esther McVey." #BrexitDeal

@RTB - I bet they don't too.

When I write the Netflix series of Brexit, I will have HMQ pulling the strings from behind the curtain. There will be intense meetings where Theresa May explains her concerns over her cabinet to her Madge, and Liz simply pats TMs knee and says "Don't worry dear, I know their sort. I've met every world leader since 1952. Your cabinet aren't really comparable. Now Idi Amin could be tricky ..."

MNHQ (or maybe just some of the moderators) are cowardly hypocrites in the way that they allow themselves to be bullied into moving the Brexit discussions.

No. Just businesspeople. Follow the money, etc.

DGR - I think that gets included within the "hypocrites" description

Or they should change their tagline from "by parents for parents" to " by parents for our sponsors for parents as long as it doesn't upset our sponsors "

That's conciliatory - not "we've won, get over it"
It is Varadkhar, not May, who is imo communicating effectively to worried Unionists - who aren't just the DUP:

"I know for the unionist community in Northern Ireland this is quite a difficult time.
Many of them may be feeling vulnerable, many of them might be feeling isolated and many of them may be quite worried about what may be agreed in the coming days.

I want to say to them the GFA [Good Friday agreement] will be protected and that includes a recognition that we respect the territory of the United Kingdom and that we respect the principle of consent, that there can be no change to the constitutional status of Northern Ireland unless a majority of Northern Ireland say so
and we are very happy to have that written into any agreement."

He also stated that there is an
Emergency EU summit to finalise Brexit, planned for Sunday 25 November

HoC point of order:
The SNP’s Kirsty Blackman said the first minister of Gibraltar has been briefed on the Brexit deal, but not the first minister of Scotland. 🤔

May keeps talking to the DUP, but ignores all the other NI parties - majority Remain
She talks to Ruth Davidson, but not NS

She really only talks to her allies, ignores everyone else
Not good in a PM

Who puts their faith in Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson?!

That was surferjet on the other thread! Even Boris's own brother doesn't put his faith in him, and we have to assume he knows him well.

Who puts their faith in Nigel Farage

(echoes of Who Breaks a Butterfly on a Wheel ? )

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/dutch-mep-esther-de-lange-criticises-nigel-farage-over-brexit-1-5778648

An MEP has been applauded both in the European Parliament and on social media for exposing Nigel Farage’s hypocrisy over Brexit - and for doing what many British politicians have failed to do.

Funny, I typed that, only to discover (thanks to my FB QI feed) that given the chance, butterflies will drink human blood ....

Yes, I saw the "I put my faith in Faridge and that floppy haired twat" [obviously not a direct quote].
LMFAO.

We're apparently not getting a planned statement by the PM.
I need a

Mrs may and chums are having tea and crumpets at No 10 and the party, due to finish at 5:00 is going on for a couple more hours.
Journalists around the world are probably trying to find pictures of kittens to keep their spirits up. EU Ambassadors are locked in a meeting in Brussels also running through the papers.