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Brexit

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:40

Mark Easton @BBCMarkEaston
This week @BBCNews will try to answer the #englishquestion with one of the largest surveys on England's identities ever conducted (@YouGov). First details tonight on BBC1 at 10.

Whooopie. Can't wait
Hmm

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EmilyAlice · 03/06/2018 16:43

Thanks Red. Of course March is the worst month for food from the garden, known as the "hungry gap".

DGRossetti · 03/06/2018 16:55

Meanwhile ...

caught the Home Sec briefly on the news promised "2000 extra officers" for the security services. The rather obtuse phrasing suggests:

  1. they won't be police officers. I wonder what the Tory faithful will make of that, when it seems our cities are descending into anarchy ?

  2. "security officer" looks like becoming the policing equivalent of "healthcare professional" (i.e. meaningless).

  3. why not extra nurses or doctors ?

speaking of which, his other Big Idea was to review immigration rules to see about letting in more (presumably non-EU) doctors and students.

Has anyone told the Tory faithful yet ? This is important because I know of at least one true-blue tory (a friends father) who is already not a happy camper that the Home Secretary couldn't get away with being called "John Smith" (sorry to be oblique. Racism brings me out in hives). His main reasoning according to my (long suffering) friend is the danger "he'd let more like him in" (again, you'll have to fill in the blanks).

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 03/06/2018 16:59

I’m shitting myself about this. I have anxiety issues at the best of times.

How just how can a western democracy (ha ha) sink so far down that this is even an issue?

prettybird · 03/06/2018 17:09

Watching The Good Fight on Thursday night - which has been amazingly topical this season - and in it, one of the characters mentioned the way that Cambridge Analytical had been able to access data to micro-target and influence results Hmm. This led dh and ds to ponder just how close to transmission it is filmed - but I was able to respond smugly that some of us Wink had known about CA last February Grin

shameless place mat king Wink

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 17:10

Emoji, I have anxiety issues too.

ATM I remain quietly stoic and not overly worried though. The retreat from cake is what you should watch.

The customs union vote planned for this month, should be an acid test. That's when I'll be most nervous. If we get past that on the right side, things should look better.

At the moment, it looks more like we are going to do a Swiss style eating of pie rather than cake.

If the customs vote goes south, then I'll start to panic. I'm also doubtful May will face a confidence vote at this stage. Again if that happens I'll be nervous.

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TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 03/06/2018 17:33

Normally common sense would prevail.,... normally. But these aren’t normal times😭

Lico · 03/06/2018 17:38

Thank you Red:

Referendum might have been illegal because British expats were not allowed to vote thus being denied their democratic rights.

www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Brexit/EU-court-to-hear-case-that-could-call-off-Brexit

And Lawson who profited from FOM but wants to deny it to others:

www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Brexit/Campaigners-say-Lawson-hypocritical-and-out-of-touch

Laudanumm · 03/06/2018 17:39

Presumably the 3rd option must include civil unrest, maybe disease and starvation?

SusanWalker · 03/06/2018 17:40

Placemarking. I have taken a little break from it all for my mental health. Worrying to see outlying areas such as Cornwall will be first affected by shortages as I am in Cornwall. Also DS has special medicine made up for him. I do not want to deal with the outcome if we can't get it.

Lico · 03/06/2018 17:42

Went to see 7 Cowley Street; new home to JRM. All place is being refurbished ; at least 2 million+ on top of the 5 million purchase! Will take a picture next time...

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 03/06/2018 17:43

Trying not to panic.
Thanks red

IrenetheQuaint · 03/06/2018 17:44

I keep thinking we're about to reach crunch point, then at the last minute the can is kicked down the road. I guess that will happen this time too. But it can't happen forever... surely??

Hasenstein · 03/06/2018 18:06

Thanks, Red.

I don't know what's worse, the catastrophic effects of Brexit as long reported on here (and now confirmed by the DExEU report), or the pig-headed refusal to face up to them by Brexiteers. Like others, I cling to the hope that common sense will somehow prevail, but fear we may have to experience a lot worse before people admit they got it wrong.

It will be a long, slow road back.

DGRossetti · 03/06/2018 18:42

It will be a long, slow road back

and well beyond my lifetime Sad. So personally, there's little incentive for me to put any effort into it ....

Theworldisfullofgs · 03/06/2018 19:24

It's a pile of poo.
Feeling quite worried, especially for my kids.

Most incompetent government, potentially ever. And with them all back pedalling on what they promised in terms of brexit.

prettybird · 03/06/2018 19:46

I'm just glad ds is off to Uni to do International Relations. Hopefully, that will give him the skills to find a job abroad Smile

He has ambitions either to be the first Ambassador to the UN for Scotland (although hopefully that will be required before he gets to that stage in his career Wink especially as he also wants to fit in a professional rugby career Hmm) or the first Scottish UN Secretary-General. Nothing like thinking big Grin

HesterThrale · 03/06/2018 20:08

Thanks, Red.

Yes it's serious. But I've said it before: I think we are entering a period of nation-building. Maybe we have to stare into the abyss before we can come to a national consensus about what kind of society we really want to be. See the potential dreadful endstate, then step back. Know the danger first. There will be extreme people who never want to step back, but I do believe that most people wouldn't want to risk Armageddon if it was paraded in front of them.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/06/2018 20:12

Can I join the officially worried crew please.

Gulp- RTBs last thread titles came true before the end of the thread...

KennDodd · 03/06/2018 20:15

We could march?

www.peoples-vote.uk

I'm really not sure another vote is the answer though. I think even if the vote did go against Brexit (not sure it would) it would have to be by a huge majority to end this and even if we did get a huge majority, it's not even up to us anymore, it's up the the EU, they might not let us stay.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2018 20:30

Thnks, red Thanks

Uk govt tactics so far have been to obfuscate and delay, in the hope that

plan a) the unicorn arrives to rescue them
plan b) if not, then the public & media will be too confused to recognise a final massive U-turn
plan c) if neither of the above happens, then the govt & their friends will have time to grab the money & run

WifeofDarth · 03/06/2018 20:50

Still reading, thanks Red et al.

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