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Brexit

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 16:10

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3275961-Westmistenders-No-Deal-please-Were-British?watched=1
Always page 40, if I can. Otherwise it just feels like I'm wasting posts.

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 16:10

Like the death penalty..MPs have a duty to reject it, however popular it may be with public.

This comment is more insightful than may first appear. Analysis after the referendum showed that a voter's stance on the death penalty provides a much better indicator of how people voted in the referendum than say age, political allegiances, or northern/ southern residence.

Statistically, leave voters' views encompasses both restoration of corporal punishment in schools and capital punishment. Interesting how the govt feels compelled to implement the 2016 will of the people in one respect, yet would (hopefully) override it in other respects.

(Old news but for reference
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36803544. Due credit to the Beeb they did report it.)

54321go · 12/06/2018 16:10

I prefer my horse to have some chips and seasonal veg next to it personally.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 16:12

Having eaten horse (by accident), I'd rather eat someone's pet bunny tbh.

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 16:14

Five mins until the vote...

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 16:17

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
One rebel says: "Deal done-(ish)". Appears Government has agreed to accept much of Grieve's amendment, at the very last minute.

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 16:20

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
boom - govt seem to have avoided defeat by skin of their teeth

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Peregrina · 12/06/2018 16:32

Since there has been a GE since the Referendum it has to be assumed that the constituents of those Leave MPs in Remain areas and vice versa, were happy with them overall, if they were returned to Parliament. Surprising as it may seem, many voters felt that other issues were important. Mind you, why the electorate of Wokingham keep returning Deadwood is totally beyond me, but this goes for all of his behaviour, not just Brexit.

Motheroffourdragons · 12/06/2018 16:38

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user1486062886 · 12/06/2018 16:44

Motheroffourdragons how can he accept Brexit had to happen and still remain in the EU ?

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 16:48

Motheroffourdragons how can he accept Brexit had to happen and still remain in the EU ?

maybe he's angling for breakfast at Milliways ?

GaspodeWonderCat · 12/06/2018 17:07

DGR: It is Schrodinger's EU - in it and not in it. Obvs Smile

Motheroffourdragons · 12/06/2018 17:08

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2018 17:54

Reports that some in his local party are planning to deselect him before the next GE
(they might need to hurry !)

It is a risk for any Tory rebel - not just in a Leave-voting seat - because the number of party members is usually tiny,
so easy for militants to take over and they are often hard Brexiters or batshit Ultras

Motheroffourdragons · 12/06/2018 18:30

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