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Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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BeyondThePage · 04/06/2018 13:36

Ladbrokes: Michael Gove is now favourite to be next Tory leader.

hahahaha... top 3 Gove, Rees-Mogg, Johnson... hahahahaha... I think I need a sit down in the dark...

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2018 13:38

Britain Elects @britainelects
% of Britons who view [X] Brexit scenario to be acceptable:

Full EEA membership: 46%
EEA w/ restrictions: 57%
Regulatory alignment: 36%
Canada plus: 44%
Canada minus: 40%
WTO: 37%

via @OpiniumResearch

opinium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Which-way-to-the-Brexit-FINAL.pdf
Full report here.

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people.

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RedToothBrush · 04/06/2018 13:39

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/pro-european-mps-have-a-moral-duty-to-resist-brexit-mpsmh7pjs
Pro-European MPs have a moral duty to resist Brexit

Column by Nick Clegg for the Times

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Theworldisfullofgs · 04/06/2018 14:26

I'm trying to do a profile of Michael Gove at the mo (did bojo and TM already). He's surprisingly difficult. The taleneted Mr Ripley keeps popping into my head.

The crisis thing I mentioned earlier comes from generational theory stuff. Baby boomers were predicted to cause it, gen x pick up the pieces and millenials take the credit. Of course it's generalisation and it depends whether you agree with Strauss and Howe or not.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2018 15:34

I'd have Gove rather than Johnson at 12 tbh.

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.
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Theworldisfullofgs · 04/06/2018 15:39

That's brilliant.
I think Gove is difficult to profile because he is a chameleon.
This may well mean he's more flexible than the currently inflexible May.
However, the big caveat depends where he hitches his star. He was known as the King Maker and they are always Machiavellian.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2018 15:58

Chief whip has written letter to all tory mps about the Withdrawal Bill.

Essence of it: 12th June is Rebellion or Armageddon Day. Part 37846287562852352

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DGRossetti · 04/06/2018 16:03

12/6/18

I wonder what the numerologists make of that Grin ?

mrsreynolds · 04/06/2018 16:10

Gove????

Gove????

Spam faced fucker 😡😡😡😡

lonelyplanetmum · 04/06/2018 16:30

Look Gove is to be trusted. He's great.Look what an excellent job he has made of state education. Now he's really got a grip of environment and agriculture.

For example he got up grips with animal labelling at the Tory party conference last autumn.Remember he acutely observed that we could turn our economy around, by that lucrative market of selling unpierced pigs ears to China. Except he was wrong about his department's own regulations and we can sell pigs ears to China anyway.

He won't make a pig's ear of being PM. We will have silk purses all the way with the right honourable his excellency Michael Gove, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

It'll all be fine...

The real worry is that fads for favourite replacement PMs last about 10 weeks. It was Moggster a few weeks ago, now it's Gove. The real fear is by the time it becomes a real prospect it will be BoJos turn again.

Such an exemplary range to choose from. Of all the human beings living in the U.K. that's our pick! As we like a reality tv show and referenda perhaps we could have a new Uks got talent meets the the Apprentice reality show.'Choose the new PM'. It couldn't actually result in a worse shortlist .

Theworldisfullofgs · 04/06/2018 16:55

Anthony Horowitz said he quite liked Gove...until he met him.

DGRossetti · 04/06/2018 17:05

Remember, Gove was the "edgy" youth threat to the Tory party in the early 1990s.

I think whatever deity there is was hinting at something as the programme he was on was called "A Stab In The Dark" Hmm.

SusanWalker · 04/06/2018 17:47

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-eu-withdrawal-bill-house-of-lords-defeats-customs-union-single-market-a8382906.html

Trying to shut down debate and parliamentary process is not a good look.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/06/2018 17:54

Gove has some very nasty depths, e.g. his savaging of the GFA in writings long before the EU ref

That manic chipmunk face hides a lot

woman11017 · 04/06/2018 18:15

Gove is a 'poisonous bunch backed toad'
to quote one of the writers he didn't ban as they weren't grey skinned.
It will be fun to watch fascism unfold during 12 hour debate, (allowed) on June 12th.
Other peoples have taken more vigorous approach to this kind of thing, but there we are; england.Sad

Motheroffourdragons · 04/06/2018 19:18

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lonelyplanetmum · 04/06/2018 20:13

The mess he made with education will surely have the teachers en masse voting against him.

I don't understand why teachers haven't been up in arms at the GCSE ' reforms'. At a state school I know they're working ( I assume for free) on Sundays to try and coach for the new absurdly hard GCSEs.

But teachers can't be criticised for being up in arms, because parents myself included seem to have acquiesced to the mess too.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/06/2018 20:19

I think teachers are too much under pressure, including for their jobs, to organise a protest

woman11017 · 04/06/2018 20:19

Gove is a pauper, makes it v dangerous. For england.
Every skint, compromised ( where's Melania?) or greedy fascist is, hence their value in this particular land of the clueless.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 04/06/2018 20:20

The mess he made with education will surely have the teachers en masse voting against him.
My DC are only primary level but I've had some real fights recently over KS1 SATs with DDs teacher. Stupidly I know they bloody well agree with me too. Does my head in.

woman11017 · 04/06/2018 20:24

English education system disappeared decades back..
It no longer exists, or only
As another caucasian ponzi scheme.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2018 21:11

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
Stella Creasy gets her debate on NI Abortion law: fascinatingly Karen Bradley, Penny Mordaunt, Michael Gove and Greg Clark indicate their support for tomorrow's discussion

Gove...

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lonelyplanetmum · 04/06/2018 22:17

Is it true Corbyn is definitely whipping Labour MPs to vote against the Lords amendments?

He allowed a free vote on Syria air strikes yet whips on this.Even if he bloody agrees with the ERG, which he clearly does, why not oppose them just to be an opposition. I still don't get it.

Will some one please explain to me again :

  1. If this true ( on past form I'm guessing yes).
  1. Why.

Also any remaining members of Labour Party or those with Labour MPs worth a few emails asking that they support the amendments. I guess one can email Labour MPs anyway without mentioning not being their constituents!

BigChocFrenzy · 04/06/2018 22:32

Bloody hell Shock
If you want to be absolutely terrified, scroll down quite a way on RNorth‘s blog today
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86891

Senior civil servant JDD comments btl that

he wrote the ST scenarios months ago, using North‘s info
and he leaked them now in desperation, because the ministers are still ignoring them
(he says only Javid seems to understand)

He also says there were additional scenarios 4 & 5 not published

Scenarios:
2) back to the 1950s
3) even further back
4) army coup - but thought not viable because too few troops
5) Uk declared a disaster zone and the UN take over

He is really apocalyptic, talking of many dead people as the proposed rationing system would fail badly

He reports that rationing would be electronically controlled, with the govt issuing everyone something like a credit card loaded for food
but:
. the cc consultant brought in said it would not be possible before 2025
. it would not work during power cuts
. it would not work with supermarkets - all previous food rationing had small corner shops, with goods tightly controlled.

He keeps warning everyone to get out of the UK before Brexit.