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Brexit

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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RealityHasALiberalBias · 04/06/2018 22:37

lonelypplanetmum

Corbyn is a brexiteer, that’s why.

Motheroffourdragons · 04/06/2018 22:38

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Icantreachthepretzels · 04/06/2018 22:46

I really hope JDD is just unhinged.
I just cannot believe (and I know this must make me terribly naive) but I cannot believe that TM will let this happen. There must be an eleventh hour pulling of the plug on Brexit.
Yes it will end her career. But then so will literally anything else that happens after March 29th in the event of no deal. (and that's if they don't just knife her in the back once she gets there anyway.)
29th March is her shelf life - what on earth has she got to lose? What she can gain though is not being remembered as the PM who allowed Britain to become a disaster zone and have to be invaded sorted out by the UN.
So much for sovereignty and taking back control ...

BigChocFrenzy · 04/06/2018 23:00

wtf, motherof4 Bad idea
You / your OH need to line up another job in the EU
Can't you find one, or are there reasons you must return ?

KennDodd · 04/06/2018 23:27

I suspect that after Brexit day certain politicians will have to go into hiding for their own safety. Oh the irony if Nigel Farage had to seek asylum in another country.

AjasLipstick · 05/06/2018 01:09

I must say....I'm normally quite a level-headed person and not given to hysteria but I am SO glad my DH insisted we get out three years ago. But I am also so concerned about my family and friends in the UK. Really worried about them. There's not a lot I can DO from Australia if the shit hits the fan though. We're not very well off due to kids in private school....no spare cash at all!

I feel horribly worried about my lovely country :(

AjasLipstick · 05/06/2018 01:10

Sorry wrong thread!

Motheroffourdragons · 05/06/2018 07:07

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BigChocFrenzy · 05/06/2018 07:39

Ah, another almost retiring, makes sense.
mother In my case, I have no remaining ties and I decided after the ref that I needed another 3 years to boost my capital

Stock up the attic & cellar in that house though !

Motheroffourdragons · 05/06/2018 07:41

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mrsreynolds · 05/06/2018 07:42

...wish we could move...

Sigh

Dh still in denial

BigChocFrenzy · 05/06/2018 07:46

Oh hell, looks like crunch pont almost here, hard ball from the E27 …

_ Brussels refuses to extend UK (non-EU) trade deals during Brexit transition_

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brussels-refuses-to-extend-uk-trade-deals-during-transition-qfx8sl0st?shareToken=b972ca2a4962c76b549c045aeb1b76ee

Britain will have only weeks to negotiate deals with dozens of countries after the European Union refused to help to extend any existing trade agreements before the legally binding signing of a Brexit withdrawal treaty.

European officials have told the government that they will not ask the EU’s trading partners to allow Britain to benefit from current trade deals with key countries such as Japan or South Korea

until Theresa May signs the final legal text of a Brexit deal

Britain benefits from more than 40 EU trade agreements that account for more than 15 per cent of all British imports and exports.

As part of the withdrawal agreement negotiations in Brussels last December EU negotiators agreed to a UK request to write to all the countries with which the EU had a trade agreement and formally request that the country be considered still part of the EU during transition.

An EU official confirmed to The Times, however, that Brussels would not make any move to extend the trade agreements until Britain had legally committed to all aspects of the withdrawal agreement.
“We will inform third countries once there is sufficient certainty about the outcome of the ongoing negotiations on the UK’s withdrawal, which also cover any transitional arrangements,
“This notification should take place after signature of the withdrawal agreement.”

Germany’s Brexit envoy warned that the summit of European leaders this month, viewed by many as key to solving the Irish border problem, was unlikely to secure much progress.
Peter Ptassek wrote on Twitter:

“Not many are expecting very much now.
If this is so, October [the next summit] would then have to solve ALL problems (withdrawal, NI, governance, future . . .) in one go. Odds still unclear.”

BigChocFrenzy · 05/06/2018 07:50

mother I was all set up for a final pt job in the Uk, then retiring there …
then came the ref and I immediately grabbed a job in Germany and negotiated pt.

I'll retire in 2020 and will stay in Germany - if allowed - for at least a few years until hopefully the worst is over.
If it doesn't blow over, I may still return if there aren't troops on the streets - my investments & pensions are nearly all in Euros, which might go very far indeed if the pound really crashes Smile

Theworldisfullofgs · 05/06/2018 07:56

The Tories like Gove apparently.

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.
Theworldisfullofgs · 05/06/2018 07:59

Wish we could move. Completely impractical.

KennDodd · 05/06/2018 08:01

These trade deals with other non EU countries can't just be copied and pasted anyway. The other countries involved have a say. The only two I've heard about, New Zealand and South Korea, have both said 'no' to that, they have said they want better terms (for them, worse for us) than they gave the EU. The EU got such good terms because of the size of its market, third countries are going to know the UK is in a very weak position and take advantage of that.

When will people open their eyes.

DGRossetti · 05/06/2018 08:25

When will people open their eyes.

Arthur C Clarke was once asked how new scientific ideas gained acceptance. His answer could be applied to almost any discipline - including politics.

Old people die

Motheroffourdragons · 05/06/2018 08:30

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KennDodd · 05/06/2018 08:43

Anybody marching on the 23rd?

lettuceWrap · 05/06/2018 08:45

My DH knew Gove many years ago. His view of him hasn’t improved since that time. Much rather Gove than Rees-Mogg for PM tho.

lonelyplanetmum · 05/06/2018 09:01

Anybody marching on the 23rd

Yup

SwedishEdith · 05/06/2018 09:02

I really hope JDD is just unhinged.

Me too. Or a fantasist. I read that before bedtime last night. Bad move.

IrenetheQuaint · 05/06/2018 09:13

There are lots of inconsistencies in JDD's posts, especially if you know anything about the civil service. I take them all with a massive pinch of salt, though it's possible he has some form of access at DExEU (but I'd guess as a contractor, not a civil servant).

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 05/06/2018 09:16

There might be a revolt over the Heathrow vote, so if anyone want trouble for the PM this might be it.