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Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 14:33

The death and rape threats made to all MPs should be actionable surely?

Inasmuch as it's an offence to threaten anybody with rape or death.

Not really sure about this one. Is a failure to protect MPs worse or better than a failure to protect the public ?

If it's not available at present, (IANAL) there should certainly be scope for a sentence to be increased if an elected representative is threatened in the course of their duties.

Part of the problem, I suspect, is the Yah-Boo nature of UK politics doesn't discourage people on one side from strongly speaking out against threats to the other. So it just becomes normalised. Certainly the silence of most of the Brexiteers has been notable. By not condemning, they are condoning.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/06/2018 14:38

@KirstyStricklan
Peter Grant says it's likely the last words Jo Cox ever heard were ''Death to traitors.'' Goes on to say: ''When we allow the language of hatred to become normalised, the actions of hatred will follow...Please get the language of violence out of this debate.''#EUWithdrawalBill

lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 14:46

* DGR-*Certainly the silence of most of the Brexiteers has been notable. By not condemning, they are condoning.

This is very true.

I actually do not know to what extent on line threats of a crime are actionable. They should be.

I'm not sure if there have to be actual tangible planning steps steps ( such as buying the machete) to make the threat actionable.

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 14:51

doesn't discourage

should be either "does discourage" or "doesn't encourage" ....

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 14:55

I actually do not know to what extent on line threats of a crime are actionable.

It's famously quite a low bar. Airport destruction threatening tweets have landed one person in chokey for a bit. And that was more clearly a joke than some of the things I've seen since.

We will end up with having to have a "citizencard" to access the internet just to keep the dregs of all societies away from the rest of us. Same as a driving licence. (Not that it will ever happen though. All the fatcat low-tax megacorps would move Heaven and Earth to prevent the biggest audience for their advertising being barred).

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 15:02

Tory rebels set to abstain on Brexit amendment
www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/tory-rebels-set-to-abstain-on-

user1486062886 · 12/06/2018 15:07

lonelyplanetmum if reported to the police I’m sure they will take action

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 15:21

What have I missed?

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DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 15:26

What have I missed?

DW and I had a lovely bacon sarnie (egg topper, natch). With a Kenyan blend espresso.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 15:27

Steve Bullock @GuitarMoog
Breaking: Barnier just confirmed EEA+CU is possible for future relationship.

Hugely inferior to membership IMHO, but undoubtedly the least damaging form of Brexit.

@Keir_Starmer @hilarybennmp @IanDunt @joncstone @JenniferMerode

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woman11017 · 12/06/2018 15:33

What have I missed? Soubry's speech was v powerful; Grieve is stunning; Clarke is cross; smugg intolerable; many shouty tory brexists are going a very strange colour and gov noticeable by its absence.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 15:43

Good. That's what we want so far. Twitter rumours are encouraging.

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 15:46

Suggestion is that Government will be forced to accept the Grieve amendment.

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Motheroffourdragons · 12/06/2018 15:51

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mrsreynolds · 12/06/2018 15:54

What have I missed??

(Been at various Drs appts and failing to get the meds prescribed...)

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 15:55

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Four more ministers prepared to quit over Brexit after Phillip Lee's 'warning shot' resignation

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54321go · 12/06/2018 15:57

Is RTB taking US to the wire with no new thread title?
Only 33 posts to go!

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 15:57

Four more ministers prepared to quit over Brexit after Phillip Lee's 'warning shot' resignation

pro or anti Brexit ?

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 15:58

Benjamin Kentish @BenKentish
Several Labour ministers and frontbench aides still said to be considering resigning/facing sack to vote against party line on EEA tomorrow. One source says Phillip Lee's "courage" this morning has "made some feel the need to reciprocate".

Jason Groves @JasonGroves1
Phillip Lee now likening Brexit to the death penalty. Says MPs have a duty to reject it, however popular it may be with public

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 16:00

ANTI-brexit.

Lee has apparently coordinated with them.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/12/eu-withdrawal-bill-minister-quits-hours-crucial-brexit-vote/
Torygraph article which is pay walled, but the first four lines give that detail.

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 16:03

Is RTB taking US to the wire with no new thread title?
Only 33 posts to go!

I'm conditioning you to get used to brinkmanship.

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DarlingNikita · 12/06/2018 16:05

54321go, Red posted to say she's got to go out and someone else should keep an eye on the thread length.

Breaking: Barnier just confirmed EEA+CU is possible for future relationship.

Isn't the CU a bit of a red herring? I thought we needed single-market access for frictionless or low-friction trade. Or does the EEA offer that? Scuse my ignorance...

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 16:05

Phillip Lee now likening Brexit to the death penalty. Says MPs have a duty to reject it, however popular it may be with public

Not a bad (but not perfect) analogy.

I hope the day never comes. But following Lord Devlins wisdom, if it ever did, I would rather find not guilty than enforce a law I could not conscience.

DarlingNikita · 12/06/2018 16:05

I'm conditioning you to get used to brinkmanship.
Grin I'm already sick to the back teeth of it, personally.

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 16:06

Breaking: Barnier just confirmed EEA+CU is possible for future relationship.

I think he did this to head off any Brexiteer bollocks claiming that it isn't possible. Although what on earth gave him the idea that someone might lie about Brexit in parliament, I can't imagine.

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