Custom Union

[user1486062886]

If as it looks likely the U.K. will be in some form of custom Union, what should us leave voters do?

Would it be better to stay as we are ?
Go on a protest march ( hasn’t helped remain )
Make the conservatives suffer at the next GE,
Or has anyone else got any suggestions ( no not you remainers, with just get on with it was a waste of time anyway etc etc)

.

@Heyduggeesflipflop I’m a bit concerned about a bloc of countries with priorities and agendas in common who we have rejected. It reminds me a bit of George W Bush’s “if you’re not with us you’re against us” speech.

I’m not suggesting warfare, I’m just wondering if being out of the EU weakens our position in any negotiations about anything more than it is currently.

If we abandon Brexit now, quite apart from the humiliation of our democratic decision being overturned by a mixture of EU machinations and fifth columnists and anti-democrats at home, the price of re-admission will be to adopt the Euro, join Shengen and give up our rebate. For starters.

If we abandon Brexit now I think we'd actually be respected by the rest of the world for admitting it was the wrong decision.

As it stands, we have no plan, we simply can't think of a way to make it work but we're going ahead regardless because we think it makes us look good.

It's doesn't- we look like the twats we are.

Radio 5 Brexitcast is good listening... assessment there is we could go revoke Art. 50 & still have our rebates. We still have all choices. Too bad pride stands in the way of some.

If we abandon Brexit now I think we'd actually be respected by the rest of the world for admitting it was the wrong decision

I agree with this. I’d be interested to see what result another referendum would give. I’m not convinced it would be the landslide people think in favour of leave, I suspect it would be the opposite.

.

Quite right smeddum

the comment that has irritated me the most today was the one pretty much saying 'it wasn't about money unless it affects me'

Fucking 'I'm alright Jack' mentality at its finest.

bearbehind absolutely! We’re financially ok, luckier than before, but I’m still worried. If it had been a few years ago I’d be shit scared! Why do people think that only they matter?

the comment that has irritated me the most today was the one pretty much saying 'it wasn't about money unless it affects me'

I wonder how these people will feel about empty supermarket shelves.

Though tbh I think we are getting to the place where the government will start to ask which option is going to play better to Dacre and Murdoch: extending the transition (36 months won't be enough: will end up being 5-7 years minimum) or withdrawing A50 and starting over.

I agree with this. I’d be interested to see what result another referendum would give

I think there would have to be some strict rules in place and ones which were legally enforceable. So, no lies about £350 million a week for the NHS, which the Leave leaders Gove, Johnson and Gisela Stuart (remember her?) reneged upon within 24 hours. The Press would have to be under the same rules as for a General Election, with fair reporting of both sides, and none of the Enemies of the People stuff when the Lords do their jobs.

I think both major referenda I’ve been part of (Indy ref and Brexit ref) have left me extremely disillusioned with the dirty tactics, particularly from the victorious campaigns who promised the sun, moon and stars and so far have delivered nothing.

So I’d absolutely be up for clarity, transparency and bold claims having to be backed up with actual facts.

I'm really not sure how the winning side in the Indy ref promised the sun moon and stars.

The vote to leave in that ref was only marginally better thought out than the EU ref.

The small stumbling block of a currency was probably their downfall.

The vote to stay in that was only a vote for the status quo- where was anyone promised the sun moon and stars to do that?

Better Together promised far more powers than have been devolved and insisted that a No vote was the only guaranteed way to stay in the EU.

Neither has happened.

I honestly didn't have much of an idea about the EU prior to the referendum. I had voted for MEP's , but then I vote when ever an opportunity arises, mainly because I don't think you can moan about anything unless you do , and I like a good moan

I couldn't honestly think of a single thing about EU membership that had a detrimental effect on my life. So I voted Remain.

I guess one of the largest factors in my vote was my 'feelings' towards the people who were the most vocal exponents for Brexit in the media. White rich men , by and large, People of privilege, not unusual for the ruling class. Not one of them was in a position to fulfil any of the 'promises' they were so eloquently offering.

I was tempted to vote Leave to give Cameron a kicking, but then thought that this was a frivolous way of treating a serious issue, when my instinct was for Remain.

I like Freedom of Movement - I know so many for whom it's worked, both ways - either people here going over to other EU countries or people coming here. Offhand with barely pausing for breath, I can think of at least 10 couples with an EU partner/spouse, now facing an uncertain future.

What finally swung it for me was the issue of the GFA - a hard won peace which I didn't want to see squandered.

peregrina, this is were it is different for many people FOM is good for people, who like to or have high skills that are needed to move around EU or great for richer people to have there foreign cook, cleaner, nanny. Etc, it’s not good for your low-semi skilled worker in UK, Mass FOM hasn’t hit people in skilled jobs, This is a true story, local to me not pluck from the Daily Mail, a local factory employing many local workers some had work there 30+ years, husbands & wives etc, were told on a Monday that they all had to take a 25% pay cu, factory was not struggling, it just had its best year, as you would expect as I assume you would be were not happy, some people who could left and there was strikes etc , in the end the bosses son sacked everyone, they eventually started erecting mobile homes on his field next to the factory and filled them and his factory with cheap foreign labour and charging rent to live in his mobile homes, He has been fined by tribunal,
This type of thing happens got often, so perhaps you can see why a lot of people don’t like FOM, it depends on what side of it your on , perhaps your on the good side, And yes this is a true story and I have a few more mostly in and around the construction trade but you’ll probably think I’m not telling the truth

I believe your example user, and many others I’ve seen. What people fail to understand is that when those situations happen it is UK companies doing it, and breaking the law. Which the UK government needs to clamp down on! Because it’s not FOM as it was intended and is the UK government allowing it to happen.

The Express arch leave rag has published a couple of positive articles for EFTA/EEA in the last couple of days. Interesting...

I’m sorry but I find user’s example hard to believe. Not because I don’t think there are some unscrupulous business owners in the UK, but because it would have been all over the media and used by the Leave campaign at every opportunity. Until I see evidence I’m calling BS. Happy to apologise and eat humble pie if evidence is provided.

I’m with you talk I suspect there is an element of truth to that sorry but it’s been heavily embellished.

Plus, as smeddum said, even if it were true, it’s more the fault of our government than the EU anyway.

I know low-skilled people who have gone over to other EU countries and found work, mostly in Germany and the Netherlands, so it doesn't follow that only the higher skilled people benefit from FoM. Once over there, especially Germany, they have learnt the language, so benefit by gaining a skill.

I do believe Users example, but that is a result of an unscrupulous employer and a Government which can't be bothered to enforce employment law - too much 'red tape' getting in the way of them making profits. If we live the EU, do you not think that such an employer will simply replace EU workers with East Asians and Sub Saharan Africans? Because I do.

InheartNiles I think the Express has recently been taken over by the Mirror Group which may slightly influence their articles? Not sure your average Express reader will carry on buying if that's the case!

Talkstotrees bearbehind This was obvious a shortened account of what happened its not BS and no I’m not going to out a local company online, perhaps you don’t want to believe it as it doesn’t fit with your view of FOM,
Yes the government could do something about it, but the company got a smack on the wrist, this is under EU working practices
The vast majority of the U.K. has no interest in working in the EU as can be seen by the very low percentage of U.K. people that work in the EU
The employers might replace the Low skilled EU workers with others, but they would have to get a visa first, That seems a good system perhaps we could have that within the EU for workers

How convenient that you don't want to out the company?

Why would you have any loyalty to them?

The truth is more likely that your account isn't exactly the real story.

If it's true surely there are news items about it you can link to?