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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 13:50

If as it looks likely the U.K. will be in some form of custom Union, what should us leave voters do?

Would it be better to stay as we are ?
Go on a protest march ( hasn’t helped remain )
Make the conservatives suffer at the next GE,
Or has anyone else got any suggestions ( no not you remainers, with just get on with it was a waste of time anyway etc etc)

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frumpety · 10/05/2018 20:46

The thing is I don't 'blame' people who voted Leave , yes I expected them to have some inkling of an idea of what that vote would mean , but at the end of the day , people in this country generally aren't politically active. To be fair there really isn't the need for them to be so , things chug along quite nicely most of the time, we all have a moan about big issues, get annoyed by things, but unless policies directly effect us or those close to us , we tend to tut and sigh and carry on. Which is absolutely fine , we all lead busy lives.

Except this was one humdinger of a vote , this was going to throw chugging along nicely right up into the air and drop kick it into the atmosphere.

Then there was the carrion call for Change , well change can be good thing , for instance if like myself, you weigh far too much , a change to my diet would be a very good thing. If you decide you don't like the colour of your eyes and choose to poke them out with a spoon , not so good , do you get my drift ?

bearbehind · 10/05/2018 20:50

user, i kind of admire your honesty in that you're admitting it now, but you chose this.

It's pretty pathetic, but undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg, to start blaming everyone except yourself.

What evidence did you see before the referendum, that leaving was possible in practice?

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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 20:51

I never voted for unicorns, I and 17.4 million others voted to leave the EU, And yes I want to leave the EU, I was asked a question which I gave an answer to

Why do you think I read the Dairy Mail ?

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bearbehind · 10/05/2018 20:53

Because you don't gave a clue about actually leaving the EU other than 'because they're mean to us'

frumpety · 10/05/2018 20:55

Clarion call oops Blush

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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 20:56

Blaming myself, why are you not blaming the government for giving the public the vote, not for the way people voted if you don’t like or agree with the outcome. Please remember you are in a minority of people that voted.

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jugglingsatsumas · 10/05/2018 20:59

if the EU came to the UK for more and more money with approval of the other 27 nations, we would have to do as told because there is no way out.
It's this them versus us attitude that makes no sense. We are part of the EU. With a voice and a pretty loud one at that. We don't do as we are told. We (in collaboration with the other members) make the rules! So this really makes no sense. And it is not true that leavers all voted out of the CU. Look back at want was actually said in the campaign and don't try and rewrite history.

bearbehind · 10/05/2018 21:00

There's no point in blaming the fact the vote was called.

There's actually little point in blaming those who didn't question whether it was actually possible.

But you need to own your choice and live with it, as will we all.

You were uninformed enough to choose something which was never, and still isn't, possible in practice.

You need to admit that, as do those who are still pushing this.

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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 21:03

I never mentioned they are mean to me, I just don’t understand why you want to blame me and not the government, without the government giving the vote this situation would not be happening. Are you suggesting that there should have been only one Answear on the ballot, then we would have got the answer right

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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 21:04

Why ask the question, if it is not achievable, that just makes no sense.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 10/05/2018 21:06

The question was asked because millions of people allowed themselves to be whipped up into a eurosceptic frenzy. Cameron, rather than being a statesman bottled it and held a misguided opinion poll rife for manipulation

jugglingsatsumas · 10/05/2018 21:07

I do blame the government but that doesn't mean you are off the hook! I also expect people to be able to assess the options given to them.

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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 21:07

poster juggling A pretty loud voice, I think we all saw that when DC went with his begging bowl and was sent backing

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jugglingsatsumas · 10/05/2018 21:09

Have you noticed all the concessions we DID get?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 10/05/2018 21:10

The British have always been looking for opt outs in terms of EU membership. It’s position on the periphery of the Eu was self inflicted. Cameron should never have went to the EU simply to appease the swivel eyed loons back home.

bearbehind · 10/05/2018 21:12

OP, do you know how many EU votes went against us? I.e. How many decisions weren't what the UK backed anyway?

frumpety · 10/05/2018 21:14

DC never went anywhere with a begging bowl and never will, he has personal wealth that most people can only imagine User

jugglingsatsumas · 10/05/2018 21:16

If you check the full fact website you will see that " In terms of the total volume of laws passed, the proportion of times the UK government has been on the “losing side” is small at about 2% since 1999. " Basically we mostly got what we wanted. Considering the complexity and the number of countries involved I think we did pretty well. Of course Leavers always seem to talk about DC with his "begging bowl" being turned down by the nasty EU. Unsurprisingly, this is the image repeatedly put forward in the right-wing press. It is also not the truth.

bearbehind · 10/05/2018 21:17

Oh juggling you ruined my question Grin

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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 21:18

The options given were leave or remain, nothing else,
Even now I don’t expect us to leave, even if we do it will be in name only,
But the next time I’m asked if I want steak or a ploughman’s, I’ll make sure the person has actually got some steak and if they have I’ll make sure they have means to cook it as well, or they could just tell that they have offered me steak but really want me to have ploughman’s, ( only joking before you all get up tight )

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jugglingsatsumas · 10/05/2018 21:20

GrinSorry!

GhostofFrankGrimes · 10/05/2018 21:21

User, millions of pounds of taxpayers money has already been wasted in implementing the impossible. Money that could have gone to the NHS. If only they’d put it in the side of a bus...

bearbehind · 10/05/2018 21:22

user, you're not exactly doing much to prove Leavers made an uninformed decision.

In fact your proving the perception many chose not to look further than the boundaries of the specific question asked.

You may think that was all you were obliged to do.

That's pretty much why we're in this mess.

bearbehind · 10/05/2018 21:35

To go back to your analogy above, you were offered steak or a ploughmans in a vegetarian restaurant with no cooking facilities and no access to a butcher.

How did you think it would work out?

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user1486062886 · 10/05/2018 22:01

bearbehind
A- i wouldn't be in a vegetarian restaurant
B- But if i was and it was on the menu, i would order it
C- Why would they have it on the menu if they couldn't supply it ?

I don't know what line of business you are in, but if your top client ask for two schemes, would you offer two but know you couldn't deliver one off them hoping the client not trusting you, done their research and realised in fact you couldn't deliver, so takes their business elsewhere
Can we have no trust in the government ?

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