Custom Union

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If as it looks likely the U.K. will be in some form of custom Union, what should us leave voters do?

Would it be better to stay as we are ?
Go on a protest march ( hasn’t helped remain )
Make the conservatives suffer at the next GE,
Or has anyone else got any suggestions ( no not you remainers, with just get on with it was a waste of time anyway etc etc)

The logic, or lack therefore, Leavers have simply never ceases to amaze and disappoint me.

You missed out ‘shock’ and ‘dispair’,

Maybe I am bonkers but the logic works for me and like it or not I applied that same logic when I put my tick in that little ‘out’ box. What a bonkers thing to do!!

FFS, do you have to revert back to 'we won you lost' every time?

Your logic is screwed up and you can't explain what you mean because it's nonsense.

You can't point out where anyone has said the UK wasn't influential within the EU because it's only been said about our status outside the EU.

And you can't explain what the feck you were on about re vetos and unanimity.

If you are going to insist on making up one side of an argument in order to pitch it against another side, which does have a basis in reality, then discussions become a bit pointless.

llijk - I was referring to comments made on here, however, there aren’t enough hours in the day for me to trawl through the board to post examples, I wouldn’t know where to start. Someone else might fancy it but I don’t.

Oh, and it's 'despair'.

Funny how there's never enough hours for a Leavers to be able to back up their statements isn't it?

Fortunately that doesn't lead people to think it was because it's a load of shite..........

Omg - if you took that to mean ‘We won you lost” then there is no point in going any further and explains a lot.

I have explained about Vetos/unanimity, what is it you don’t understand? as usual Bear you have closed your mind down because anything a Leavers says is bollocks. That’s pointless.

You haven't explained anything about vetos and unanimity which makes any sense.

You are arguing 2 comments against each other which are actually the same.

It's not just me who has no idea what you're on about.

Oh, and it's 'despair'.

Well if we are being pedantic and I wasn’t going to bring it up but:

The logic, or lack therefore, Leavers have simply never ceases to amaze and disappoint me.

Oh and it’s ‘lack thereof’

Agreed, that was a complete typing error!

Anyway, any chance of explaining this veto point?

Bear I will come back and try and explain again but right now I need to do dinner for two teen DC who think their throats have been cut because they haven’t eaten anything for oooh at least an hour and a half

Fair enough!

Blimey, were we just pitch invaded on Eurovision?!

Just rewatched it- someone snatched the microphone off our contest in Eurovision half way through her song! WTAF.

I’m back but just checked that out as have BGT on, apparently according to Twitter he said: “For the Nazis of the UK media, we demand freedom“

WTF is that supposed to mean- how bizarre!

Bear typed another explanation on what I meant regarding the unanimity/veto and went on to use the digital taxation/Ireland situation as an example but lost the whole lot - cba to try and type again at this hour so am going to post a couple of links I have found instead.

www.ft.com/content/dba49100-2d22-11e8-a34a-7e7563b0b0f4

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-should-enforce-rules-to-prevent-vetoes-on-tax-reforms-juncker-1.3219828

I am aware that it requires a unanimous vote once it gets to the 28 members (not the 6 as I previously thought and mentioned earlier) but it is nevertheless an overruling/prevention of a veto (taxation). Interesting that JCJ would like to apply this to other taxes too.

Time what Juncker thinks doesn't automatically become EU law. A change on voting for taxation rules would undoubtedly require unanimity.

It's a very example to choose, by the way: if there is one policy that would appeal to populist voters (but be resisted by elites) it is taxing large multinationals fairly.

How do you think EU decisions should be taken?

"Very odd example" that should say, sorry.

Time what Juncker thinks doesn't automatically become EU law. A change on voting for taxation rules would undoubtedly require unanimity

Yes, I am aware of that but it does show that a veto can be removed and what would be a unanimity issue then becomes a QMV issue.

It's a very example to choose, by the way: if there is one policy that would appeal to populist voters (but be resisted by elites) it is taxing large multinationals fairly

I knew someone would say that, I am not saying that I don’t agree with it, it is just the most recent article which I used to make my point.

How do you think EU decisions should be taken

It’s certainly not to increase QMV voting and to try and remove a smaller states veto (Ireland, Malta, Luxembourg ) to try and get something pushed through at the top, that is not the way to go, populist policy or not.

If everyone has a veto on everything it becomes difficult to make any decisions.

How would you feel if Scotland had a veto on all legislation affecting the whole of the United Kingdom?

The EU system involves a lot of compromise/ consensus but requires unanimity on major and especially constitutional questions. How would you improve this?

And I thought some brexiters were rather against the idea of Ireland having a veto ;)

I need somewhere to sound off.. Radio5 this morning, Leave-means-Leave spokesman saying:

Most rough sleepers in London are EU nationals.
Outrageous we can't deport them like any other grimey foreigner.
Mock the EU that says Brits could go rough-sleep in rest of EU.
The reason they are rough-sleeping is because landlords won't take in illegal residents.

So which is it? They're disgusting foreigners we can't deport due to EU membership letting them be here, or they are illegals who can't get a legal home? I don't think the interviewer even challenged the illogic of it.

I still don't understand your point time. Some decisions require unanimity and some require a qualified majority.

What other possible better alternative is there?

Why is this a bad thing?

We are at the whim of whatever TM decides right now- I know which I'd prefer.

Question to User and Time , what is bad about being in a customs union ?