Custom Union

[user1486062886]

If as it looks likely the U.K. will be in some form of custom Union, what should us leave voters do?

Would it be better to stay as we are ?
Go on a protest march ( hasn’t helped remain )
Make the conservatives suffer at the next GE,
Or has anyone else got any suggestions ( no not you remainers, with just get on with it was a waste of time anyway etc etc)

Yes the government could do something about it

But they didn’t, and because of it you decided to give them sole control of employment laws and conditions? That makes no sense whatsoever.

According to statistics 2.9 million EU immigrants live in the U.K. and 1.2 million U.K. migrants live in the EU.

Hardly the enormous “influx” used by the leave campaign.

bearbehind For more the reason I not sure legally what the implications would be for me. Don’t believe it it’s up to you, but I’m just giving an insight into why the common person is not to happy with FOM, obviously you are in a lovely position in life where it hasn’t had any affect in a negative way on you your family or friends, good for you,

I’m just giving an insight into why the common person is not to happy with FOM

But misdirected anger isn’t helpful. It is the company you should be angry with, and the UK government for failing to prevent/adequately sanction such conduct. Instead it’s become a tool to stop immigration.

That’s what bothers me most I think, the lack of consideration for the whole picture.

Smeddum I did say working, not the many lucky retired people living in the Sun, 1.2 mil people add to a pop of 500 mil is not the same as 3 mil added to a pop 60 mil

What can the legal implications possibly be of you providing a link to a newspaper article?

This is why Leavers wind me up so much; this story is clearly not what you are making out to be otherwise there would be media articles you can link to.

@user1486062886 how do you know what make up of U.K. ex pats is? You don’t.

And your inability to understand that the UK government’s lack of preparation or indeed action to manage immigration is at fault here is staggering.

You do sound very determined to blame immigration for all the ills in the UK and I think that post Brexit you’re in for a shock.

Smeddum Yes, past and previous governments have done nothing to stop FOM because they cannot under The EU law, Before FOM company’s couldn’t do this so the government didn’t have to act, we no how slow the government is to catch up on things, I cannot speak for everyone but if FOM was somehow curtailed or controlled we would not have Brexit, sorry I’ve you don’t like or understand it but that is the truth

past and previous governments have done nothing to stop FOM because they cannot under The EU law

Absolute bollocks.

Other EU countries apply more stringent controls to FOM.

We could have applied brakes, we specifically chose not to.

It is you who doesn’t understand. Find me one piece of EU legislation that means UK companies can act out with employment laws in the way you’ve described?

You repeatedly talk about successive UK governments failures to act, yet have voted to give the UK government (current and future) sole control. That makes no sense, at all.

Smeddum I have said many times it is the past and pervious governments fault for not caring or understanding or listening to people’s concerns, I don’t hate or blame immigrants for trying to make a better live for themselves, but it shouldn’t be to the detriment of good local honest people.

Smeddum I have said many times it is the past and pervious governments fault for not caring or understanding or listening to people’s concerns, I don’t hate or blame immigrants for trying to make a better live for themselves, but it shouldn’t be to the detriment of good local honest people

1. if you’re so angry about successive UK governments inability to put measures in place, why did you vote for them to have sole control?

2. it is UK companies acting in a detrimental way, not immigrants.

3. you paint British people as “good, local, honest people” which says an awful lot about your attitudes to immigrants despite protestations.

bearbehind I don’t know what legal implications, not everything is in the news it’s not a multi national company, what is there to stop anybody from the EU coming to the U.K., what limits can be set ? Show me evidence,

Smeddum It is EU that has made FOM one of the 4cores not the U.K.
Yes it is the company’s help by an inflex of cheap available labour (FOM) not the immigrants ( again I don’t blame the immigrants)
The vast majority of British people are good honest people but if the shoe was on the other foot, would they be welcoming to people taken their jobs ?

Do you honestly think the EU could just keep demanding money from us and we had no say what so ever?

Yup.
Do you honestly believe they wouldn’t and our say v 27 would be enough? QMV not going to make a difference in the future?

The vast majority of British people are good honest people

As are most people, irrespective of where they come from. Your prejudice is showing again.

Your inability to see this it is the U.K. government’s failure to act that has caused these problems (since it suits their agenda) is quite depressing.

Brexit is a shitshow, and it isn’t going to have the ludicrously positive impact you naively think it will. In fact, it appears that it will have the opposite effect.

Smeddum Sorry i didn't mean it to sound that way there are many good honest European people as well, No prejudice here about nationality, colour,religon, etc

user what is there to stop anybody from the EU coming to the U.K., what limits can be set ? Show me evidence
"We could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves"

So, there you have it; there's an EU directive that says countries are not obliged to host EU nationals who don't have work/other means of support.

extract taken from this article, which also reports that 'Other countries, such as Belgium, regularly repatriate thousands of individuals based on this directive'

God knows what our government and people like you will do when they and you can no longer scapegoat the EU and blame it for problems of our own country's making.

@user1486062886 you can say it as often as you like, it’s dripping from every post you make about Brexit.

So, there you have it; there's an EU directive that says countries are not obliged to host EU nationals who don't have work/other means of support

Brilliant!

God knows what our government and people like you will do when they and you can no longer scapegoat the EU and blame it for problems of our own country's making

Wring their hands and blame everyone else probably.

time4chocolate Angela Merkel to David Cameron: support us or we leave UK behind taken from the Guardian, does that sound like we have a choice, there are ways of getting what they want, perhaps you don't know the behind the workings anymore than i do

user Also, I don't understand why you have so many objections to EU people coming to WORK here (and pay taxes which contribute to our pensions etc.) I'm sure you'll come back with some flannel about driving down wages etc, but unless you can provide evidence for this, I'll take that with a pinch of salt.

@user1486062886 a line from the Guardian doesn’t trump EU or U.K. law, why don’t you understand that?

A newspaper article is opinion, legislation is a law.

what is there to stop anybody from the EU coming to the U.K., what limits can be set ? Show me evidence

FFS, I said our government chose not to apply the brakes that were available- therefore of course there’s no evidence we restricted FOM but that is your beloved governments fault, not the EU’s.

I don’t know what legal implications, not everything is in the news it’s not a multi national company

I don’t believe for a second that if your story was even remotely true it wouldn’t at least be in the local papers.

The fact is it’s an embellished urban myth with a modicum of truth in there somewhere.

That old Chestnut, haven't got a job in 3 months or don't have means of support,
OK means of support, I'm living with my best mate at their house why I'm working on this job his found me,
Ask them to leave to leave after 3 months, come on we don't know their here or where they are, ive just finished that temp job and starting one soon, honestly who pays for all this tracking them down and deporting them ? Because they will honestly say i have to leave ive been her 3 months, weve got to go home.
In the pretend world high up at the EU i sure this sound great but in the real world it does not work, Anybody and any number of EU people can come to the UK,
And don't forget their are 27 nations that can come here,
I often wonder ive people that quote guidelines like that honestly belief that people adhere to them, it bit like speeding its ok if you don't get caught,
is it up to the people that come here to just back and leave after 3 months or the government to chase them down and force them out, (that would look good in the press)
It doesn't limit numbers that come and get a job, puts pressure on services on housing etc, because at the start of the year we have no idea of what the population is going to be at the end of the year, how do you plan your for services ?