Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

[surferjet]

Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only

I just think that the fact that we do now know it a set date means people can see I will happen.

More positives - we have a date.

We also have a legal case on whether Art 50 was actually exercised by the UK Govt or merely a notice of intent, so putting that date in question but the positive - more action for lawyers.

We also have contradictory legislation concerning devolved matters in both the devolved jurisdictions of Scotland and Wales that the UK Parliament intends to overrule - a move to downgrade the devolved authorities in those two countries even though both were established by 'the will of the people' actually in those two countries. But the positive - 'make UK great again' with power returned to central UK Govt in London.

I've searched for the word 'mental' on this thread, because it's a term I really hate.

And yet you are totes ok with this:

"Friendly advice: please get yourself professionally evaluated - you appear to suffer from both paranoid and manic delusions."

Blue passports which don't have the words European Union on them. That must be worth a good few lost jobs surely? grin

I believe it is because of EU rules that we cannot offer it to a U.K. company and the contract is currently unsigned.

Well yes, and no.

The rules on procurement are broadly the same under both EU and WTO - either tender and best price awarded contract, or

• most economically advantageous tender where the decision to award is based on a declared set of criteria to be met in the tender.

So the positive - even under the WTO system that leavers want to be in place once we leave the EU the same procurement rules apply - except the market opens up to WTO members to bid for the work.

So EU rules do cover procurement but did not prevent the UK awarding the contract to a UK company (if it had been De La Rue possibly using a Gateshead facility).

So our positive is that we are all a bit more informed about what EU/WTO procurement rules are even though we may not agree with the results.

The blue passport thing is hysterical.😂

It perfectly illustrates the extent of our 'freedom'!

I can't wait to hear any Leaver attempt to defend it.

I believe it is because of EU rules that we cannot offer it to a U.K

That will be the EU rules we have to abide by until at least the end of 2020, only with no say in them now.

I wonder if this will start to make things sink in for Leavers?

The great positive of leaving is that we will be a self-governing democracy again and not gradually become a province of an anti-democratic federation run from Brussels by unelected foreigners, mostly in the interests of German manufacturers and French farmers.

It delights me to hear remoaners whining about what a disaster Brexit will be, after nearly two years still frightened and upset at having to realise most people don't just not share their views, but don't care about what they think. Brexit will happen and will (in due course) be a success, and they will just have to suck it up.

Or move abroad to stay in their beloved EU, which might be better as they obviously hate the UK.

The passport contract is merely an example of the complexity that lies behind a simple binary, advisory referendum. If leavers understood this before the referendum then there would be no 'hue and cry' now. If they didn't, but are beginning to see now, well that is a good (see, more positives) thing as they will more clearly understand the situation that the UK will find itself if it does, ever, leave the EU.

To Leavers that may be in the 'beginning to see' category - I would welcome your change of mind. It is and was more than just a 'in/out' decision. I have learned of many more of the complexities since the referendum in areas of activity outside my knowledge (law) and experience (55 years of life).

I do not hate the UK. I am not frightened or upset. Nor do 'most people' not share my views about remaining in the EU or not - there is no current evidence for this statement.

I do not see the EU in the terms of your first paragraph nor indeed agree with some of your statements on a legal basis, however you are very welcome to take that view.

Brexit is not yet guaranteed to happen, so maybe save the celebrations until then - and try not to hang your hat on 29 March 2019 to avoid disappointment.

I think there is a bit of goading going on here, actually. Or piss-taking and laughing, anyway.

I'm genuinely interested in hearing from some leavers about their thoughts and feelings on how things are going.

Why are Remain the only people on this thread obsessed by who prints a bit of paper?
It's like your desperate for anything to shore up your views.
Maybe your passion is too little too late.

Why are Remain the only people on this thread obsessed by who prints a bit of paper?

Because Brexit was supposed to be about taking back control and protecting British jobs.

Working well isn't it?

Mummy2017

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/21/brexiteers-furious-dutch-company-poised-win-contract-make-iconic/

And yet you are totes ok with this:

Who said I was 'totes ok' (WTF) with that? I had not RTFT - just trying to catch up. Saw surfer accusing people of calling her mental, thought 'who did that?' - because I don't like disablist language - and had a search. So, Brandy, you can take your straw man and stick it where the sun don't shine.

World trade .. it included the EU. We save 50 million....
Try standing on a street and asking how many people are worried about where the printing is done if it saves THAT much money... Sorry but that isn't a loss it's money we save...

How come De La Rue has been able to print UK passports for yonks, when we have been in the EEC/EU for the past 45 years? Shouldn't they have been stopped? Not allowed under EU rules - sounds like poppycock/Daily Mail goading to me. The Fascist supporting DM that was pushing for blue passports, I recall.

However, one advantage of Brexit - the sorry crowd of politicians in Westminster won't be able to use the EU as a convenient excuse, or not forever, although they will try their hardest, of that I am sure. They might actually have to try to do the job they were elected for and represent their constituents to the best of their ability using their judgement as to what is best for the country.

The blue passport thing is hysterical. 😂*

It perfectly illustrates the extent of our 'freedom'!

I can't wait to hear any Leaver attempt to defend it.*

It was going to happen anyway, previous contract had ended, so wasn't as a result of Brexit in any way.
Colour was neither here nor there, just a symbolic change.

No extra cost at all incurred, in fact the company that won the contract came in at £50 million less than the British rival.

Let's put 'THAT much money' in a little context. Do you mean £50 m per annum, a one off payment, per month, per 5 year UK Govt budget/spending review cycle?

In saving the 1% of UK GDP that is contributed to the EU annually, what costs will be incurred as a result of the UK leaving the EU? More or less than that 1%? More or less than £50 m

The economic impact statements suggest a negative position for the UK economy over 15 years on leaving the EU.

If you don't like that perspective (HM Treasury model/experts etc) then how do you feel about the Patrick Minford and pals report that leaving (which they want) will result in significant loss of manufacturing in the UK - that's forever (jobs/productivity/taxation/therefore public services).

Who said I was 'totes ok' (WTF) with that? I had not RTFT - just trying to catch up. Saw surfer accusing people of calling her mental, thought 'who did that?' - because I don't like disablist language - and had a search. So, Brandy, you can take your straw man and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Not a straw man at all.

I just highlighted the post that explicitly called Surfer 'mental' as you had seemingly ignored it.

You took the time to 'search the thread' (your words) but then paradoxically claim to have not RTFT.

I hate disablist language too, hence my confusion as to why you pulled up Surfer for saying 'mental' (in relation to what had been said about her), but were apparently unbothered by the 'paranoid & manic delusions' description of Surfer.

No extra cost at all incurred, in fact the company that won the contract came in at £50 million less than the British rival.

PMSL! I thought the narrative was that Leavers were happy to pay a bit more for British made goods rather than awarding contracts to other countries.

I thought the priority was supposed to be British jobs.

I'm astounded you're even beginning to defend this decision. It makes a complete mockery of the entire Brexit process.

So twofingerstoEverything are you ok with remainers saying I’m suffering from paranoid & manic delusions simply because I’m happy we’re leaving the EU.
You think that’s ok do you?

I'm a positive person. I'm positive that despite this stupid and shitty decision, I personally and my family collectively can make the best of it. The right to Irish passports helps.
Brexit made me a prepper. It also made me dismissive of whiners who voted Leave to stick it to the man but who don't like the consequences.
Can't wait for my Dutch made blue passport. Just about sums up this shit show.. I used to have a blue passport because I am old enough to remember this fake glorious past Leavers go on about.