Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

[surferjet]

Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only

A majority voted for Remain, and better than 52/48! That must be good enough. It's 'the will of the people

Not denying that at all but the figure was higher to leave than I ever thought it would be. A majority is a majority and no arguing with that either.

Referenda are great, Hitler and Mussolini loved them.. and they are banned in Germany for a reason. They've learned the 1930s lesson, we could have too, alas we've decided to learn our own instead.

Are you seriously suggesting that the EU referendum is somehow similar to Hitler & Mussolini's actions?

@BrandySchnapps

There are indeed rather troubling similarities, for example all those referenda involve populists spewing blatant lies.

BTW I'm still waiting for those references supporting your claims of irregularities in Remain campaign funding. Hope you are not trying to put together a fake news website!

Not denying that at all but the figure was higher to leave than I ever thought it would be. A majority is a majority and no arguing with that either

And if you look at the breakdown of the leave remain vote in terms of Protestant/catholic or those identifying as Irish vs those identifying as British or those identifying as republican vs those identifying as unionist (figures all in my link) then you see WHY it is so bloody important to get it right.

It makes me so angry that brexshiteers are so utterly focussed on ‘getting their country back’ (whatever the fuck that means - it’s still an utterly meaningless slogan - can anyone in love with Brexit explain to me what it means) that they will happily leave Northern Ireland to burn.

And for anyone who thinks things are completely settled in Northern Ireland this was on the beach last time I was near The Iron Islands (not the real name of the place - taken from the GoT filming location - will be more meaningful to most - but just along the coast from the Giant’s Causeway - quite a strongly Protestant area tbh)

I have been visiting Northern Ireland since 1992 (when there were still plenty or roadblocks and a highly visible army on the street - remember being stuck at traffic lights between two tank like vehicles and someone peering out the top with a gun) it is unrecognisable now from then but that peace is fragile. I am staggered by how little the government seems to understand the situation in Northern Ireland. I know they have those well known moderates the DUP in their ear but FFS they should be able to look beyond that.

"Evolve ". Whoever said this doesn't get it.
Thankfully NI was moving away from the violence with GFA as a powerful marker on the way.
And yes "things" are different. But it is so fragile. The coarsening of political dialogue generally makes it worse. Normalising aggressive "meanness" and extremist ideas on the mainland just makes it worse.

Someone asked me yesterday to name 3 reasons why I wanted to leave the EU, & in what way my life will improve once we’re out.
From experience, it doesn’t matter what my reasons were, each one will be torn apart & ridiculed.
But basically; I want to ‘take back control’ - that was such a powerful phrase, and those 3 little words probably won the referendum.
And we will have more control.
We’ll have control of our borders.
We’ll have control over our laws.
And it doesn't matter if EU laws were actually great and didn’t do me any harm - how do I know what the future held?
So it was more about looking forward than looking back - no one, not even remainers, can predict how the EU will evolve - so better to get out while we had the chance.
Anyway, this thread is almost done & I won’t be starting another one.
Every threads the same.

We already have control of our borders. If you disagree with the Parliamentary decision that allowed foreign workers clearer access to our job market, take it up with them. Plenty of other EU countries did not allow workers from so called accession states but we needed the labour so we did.
Or make UK citizens train and work in areas where we had labour shortages. With incentives/with penalties if they don't, whatever.
We did make our own laws. Pretty sure I saw that.
But you think you didn't have control? Maybe you needed to pay more attention.

We had control over our borders etc already.

fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/

fullfact.org/europe/immigration-eu-referendum/

Control over our laws? Such as getting rid of the Human Rights Act you mean (the legislation that hasn’t most meaning and protection for my severely disabled son).

FFS - I could weep for he stupidity.

You are right Surfer take back control was a very powerful slogan , completely meaningless , but powerful non the less.

Childish nonsense. Are those who voted Remain supposed to keep off a thread started by a Leave voter. I think the current term is "snowflake". Embarrassing attitude.

That’s another interesting thing. All this ‘you can’t police threads & decide who posts’

I remember posting on a thread not long after the referendum - it was a thread started by a remainer about a protest march that was being organised.
I went on it and said something like ‘you’re wasting your time’ & omg the abuse I got.
‘Get off our thread’!!!!!
lol I’m sure it’s still here. But they were right, it was their thread & it wasn’t polite of me to go on it really.
So it’s not about policing - it’s more about politeness.

If somebody is rude on a thread. Ignore or report.

I was hoping to see something like. XX law, one of the 7% voted against by the UK, has affected my business, and made it no longer viable, therefore I have lost my current livelihood. It took yy years to build that up, so that is why I am angry with the EU.
I have seen that from some people already, because of the fall in the £ and the business uncertainty. Not the same weary meaningless slogans.

Daughter in Law's friend voted Leave and is now whining that our EU dentist is retiring. He's going about 4 years earlier than planned, directly because of Brexit.

When this thread is done the pack will decamp & reconvene on the Brexit Arms thread Surfer.
God forbid they go a day without taking a swipe at their perceived enemy.

There are definite parallels between the modus operandi of hard remainers & trans rights activists - it's exhausting.

I was on a thread where I remarked that the retreat from Dunkirk was regarded as a betrayal by the French. My goodness, the Leavers would have had me hung, drawn and quartered for lack of patriotism.

The 'pack' if you mean Remain voters, will start neither a Brexit Arms or Leavers Lagoon thread.

The pack? You mean people who disagree with you.
And to like Remain supporters to trans bullying is all shades of wrong. And stupidly funny.

Not at all peregrina - I can imagine how much of a betrayal it must have seemed & felt.

There lies the biggest problem on these threads - you assume what would happen, based on your own prejudice.

Out of interest, did anyone actually berate you for your 'lack of patriotism'?
Or did you just imagine that they might?

And to like Remain supporters to trans bullying is all shades of wrong

Use of exactly the same tactics.
Demographic is similar too.

OK, so surferjet voted Leave because he liked a particular soundbite and for no other material reason whatsoever? That's simply not good enough.

@BrandySchnapps I hope you are cracking on with getting us those references.

In fact, I take your point - not the TRAs themselves, but rather their right-on supporters.

It was detailed in one of the remain campaigners books - the deliberate coordination between all remain groups & pooling of info & resources.