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Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

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surferjet · 20/03/2018 09:54

Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Wine

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only Smile

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JWIM · 25/03/2018 17:07

And as I also watched the interview I can answer that last question. No, he did not.

JWIM · 25/03/2018 17:08

That was the answer to my last question.

JWIM · 25/03/2018 17:41

Just some quick questions for those who are in favour of leaving the EU.

Do you think that the issue of the risks around changing the status of the border on the island of Ireland is a real issue?
Do you think any concern raised about the consequences for the island of Ireland of the UK leaving the EU should be ignored?
Do you think the 'border issue' is a made up issue?
Do you value the outcome of the GFA/BA/peace agreement?

Peregrina · 25/03/2018 17:59

Did DD say anything about an agreed by all parties to the Treaty solution?

I expect he omitted to say that the GFA was 'the will of the people' on both sides of the border, as voted for in Referenda with many more votes for the treaty than against - none of this 48/52% split, which is apparently 'overwhelming'.

Doubletrouble99 · 25/03/2018 18:08

What are you talking about JWIM? Of course the border between NI and ROI is a real matter to be dealt with and the GFA is worth fighting for. Why on earth do you think anyone would think other wise?

TomRavenscroft · 25/03/2018 18:13

Double, there's a body of politicians bandying about the idea that, and I pretty much quote, the GFA has outlived its usefulness.

I can't speak for JWIM, but that's one reason why on earth I myself would think some people don't consider the GFA worth fighting for.

JWIM · 25/03/2018 18:13

Double I asked because I am interested in views of those who wish to leave the EU28. I agree that it is a real matter to be dealt with and the GFA/BA/peace agreement is something to be preserved - sorry not 'worth fighting for' as that is what led to it in the first place - but I get your intention. More seriously, at what point should it be dealt with?

Doubletrouble99 · 25/03/2018 18:16

What would be the point of the UK government applying for planning permission or asking companies to tender for something that isn't agreed yet Bear?

BrandySchnapps · 25/03/2018 18:16

She doesn't double, it's their yawnsomely overdone tactic on these threads.

Ask a perfectly reasonable question that only the most extreme of knobheads would disagree with, but framing it as an all or nothing concept.

The right-on 'progressives' do this all the time.

The premise is: if you support Brexit then you, by default, surely must not value the GFA & the upholding of no hard border.

Boooooooring

Hasenstein · 25/03/2018 18:19

What are you talking about JWIM? Of course the border between NI and ROI is a real matter to be dealt with and the GFA is worth fighting for. Why on earth do you think anyone would think other wise?

I'm sure JWIM can answer for herself, but my two pennorth is that our Leave enthusiasts appear not to "give a shiney shite" for any issues so long as we're out of the EU. Nothing else matters, this alone is the shining vision at the end of the rainbow. I agree with your view and your incredulity that anyone would think otherwise about the vital importance of NI/RoI/GFA, but for some it pales into invisibility compared with the driving motive of just getting out, come what may.

Doubletrouble99 · 25/03/2018 18:21

The GFA has been altered before, it can again. It was never written to take into account the idea that the UK would leave the EU so is no longer fit for purpose in it's current form.
The presumption in your questions JWIM that leavers have no interest in the GFA or a solution for the border question is just silly. Of course any reasonable person would want there to be a reasonable solution agreed by all concerned.

BrandySchnapps · 25/03/2018 18:22

And if by magic, someone pops up to prove the point:

"our Leave enthusiasts appear not to "give a shiney shite" for any issues so long as we're out of the EU. Nothing else matters, this alone is the shining vision at the end of the rainbow. I agree with your view and your incredulity that anyone would think otherwise about the vital importance of NI/RoI/GFA, but for some it pales into invisibility compared with the driving motive of just getting out, come what may."

bearbehind · 25/03/2018 18:26

What would be the point of the UK government applying for planning permission or asking companies to tender for something that isn't agreed yet Bear?

The EU have said that if we want to leave the SM/CU there will be 'friction' on the border.

If we were actually serious about that commitment we'd be putting everything we could in place to demonstrate we were serious.

We haven't because we're not serious.

We will end up staying in SM/CU.

It's only Leavers who can't yet see that.

SusanWalker · 25/03/2018 18:38

I don't see how or why any technical border solution would be kept secret. We'd have to tell the EU for a start so they can see if it works for them. Plus there would need to be a trial to check it works. I mean you can hardly just dry run it on day one.

bearbehind · 25/03/2018 18:40

It's completely mind boggling that Leavers honestly seem to think they can go to bed on 29th Mrach 2019 and all the problems will be miraculously solved when they wake up.

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 19:00

DD said a deal is a very very real possibility...
But if not the we can still leave with no deal. Not what people want but an insurance policy.
Meaning your BINO is a no deal free trade or we walk.
That Hi Tec would which is usable is being considered...
But this isn't what you want to hear is it....
The EU isn't as tight as ramps remainders think.. it was fine when it was loads of money wanted and free movement till we leave, but that each country will have different needs leading to In fighting over their wants list.....

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/03/2018 19:17

How is no deal an insurance policy? It would paralyse the country.

frumpety · 25/03/2018 19:18

Double that is interesting about the GFA being amended before , can you tell me when that was ?

TheyBuiltThePyramids · 25/03/2018 19:20

DD is an idiot.

Peregrina · 25/03/2018 19:21

It was never written to take into account the idea that the UK would leave the EU so is no longer fit for purpose in it's current form.

How arrogant. Never mind that it was the will of the people on the island of Ireland, because it no longer suits predominantly English voters, you declare it's not fit for purpose. Had all parties to this International Treaty said that this is now out of date, then re-negotiation would be appropriate.

Let's have a reminder of the Leavers favourite mantras: "It's the will of the people, that's democracy, what don't you understand." Let's replace this with: 'We want to smash our own country and we don't mind how many others we drag down with us.'

GhostofFrankGrimes · 25/03/2018 19:22

I can’t see that the GFA has been amended. Sounds like more leaver fairy dust.

bearbehind · 25/03/2018 19:22

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Peregrina · 25/03/2018 19:23

I believe that the original GFA or the Belfast Agreement, has been revised, but to clarify points which were not clear. Not to rip it up because it no longer suits one of the parties. Although the DUP and Gove would happily see it ripped up.

JWIM · 25/03/2018 19:30

Assuming you meant me by she' (bit of an assumption) Brandy - In response to those who think I am being 'goady' I am sorry if that is how it seems. What I was trying to understand is what leavers think about this one aspect of leaving the EU28 because I don't recall reading much from leavers other than the politicians.

I am reassured that leavers have expressed concern about resolving this issue to ensure that the premise of the GFA/BA/peace agreement is not undermined.

Yes, the GFA/BA/peace agreement could be amended but I have yet to read anything that suggests such work is being planned/undertaken, as it must be a separate action from the ongoing negotiations with the EU27. If that is the case, assuming leavers agree that it is an issue to be resolved, do you accept that leaving the EU28 must wait until that issue is resolved and the international peace treaty amended to reflect the agreed resolution?

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 19:33

Bear your so sure it's your way. You forget that your not important enough to matter anymore.. your cross has been spent...
The trade bit is so so telling.... it means no to your BINO.....
It will be a new kind of agreement.. per DD...
Not what the MN 5 shout about...
Call me any names you like it just shows you know your on to a loser.. NI will be sorted and once it is we will be told.. or we walk....