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Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

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surferjet · 20/03/2018 09:54

Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Wine

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only Smile

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Hasenstein · 25/03/2018 21:21

Look at the trade deal that failed..
HOW..

??? Confused

Rdoo · 25/03/2018 21:21

Your taking a huge deal on trust..
That Germany and France will as the ones who pay most can convince Others they get to win and everyone else falls into line...

Germany and France have both declared support for Ireland.
Even if the EU countries were to turn on Ireland (which they clearly won't), Ireland can block the trade deal with the UK.

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 21:24

Spain wants Gibraltar

It has public said it will vote down a deal because of this...
Are you 100% sure it will behave.

bearbehind · 25/03/2018 21:25

Your taking a huge deal on trust

Says she who hangs off every word DD says Hmm

Rdoo · 25/03/2018 21:27

Mummy, I'm sure Spain will look after it's own interests as I would expect every EU country to do. What I don't expect is any EU country to put pressure on Ireland to proceed if they're not happy.

Do you realise how bad a no deal Brexit will be for the UK?

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 21:32

That is just the point. It's bad but not undoable...
27 countries all saying the same thing .... honestly...
And you think I am the one in unicorn land.

Rdoo · 25/03/2018 21:36

Mummy, and what about the violence and possible deaths that will come if the UK try and impose a border in Ireland. Is that a price worth paying?

LaurieMarlow · 25/03/2018 21:39

The EU don't want the UK to crash out with no deal. And (unlike the UK) they've been acting calmly and rationally throughout.

Ireland and Spain have special status here, but everyone else understands that the collective good of the EU takes priority. They've been so united thus far I've no idea why you're arguing this point. There isn't a shred of evidence to support it.

AgnesSkinner · 25/03/2018 21:39

The negotiating guidelines were agreed by the member states after only a two minute discussion, the European Commission’s deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand said on Monday afternoon.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-transition-period-eu-27-european-council-two-minute-discussion-sabine-wayand-michel-barnier-a8183556.html?amp

I think the EU27 are pretty much in agreement about Bre it negotiations to date.

Which is more than can be said about the Tory party.

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 21:42

No one wants blood . I don't want it any more than any other person..

But what your saying is we should never leave the EU. As we a prisoner .
That the GFA no an agreement. But a trap...

Hasenstein · 25/03/2018 21:44

It's bad but not undoable..

And this is what it has now come to. Forget extra funding for the NHS and all the other aspects of the sunlit uplands promised by (and to) Leavers. Bad, but no undoable. Halle bloody lujah.

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 21:45

Until now it was about money...
TRADE...
Whole new kettle of fish....

Rdoo · 25/03/2018 21:48

Mummy, you can leave the EU but before you do so you have a duty to find a way to continue to honour previous agreements.
Particularly when they are peace agreements that stopped more deaths.
So far, UK govt haven't shown any understanding of the issues around Ireland never mind make any attempt to deal with them.

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 21:56

DD was interviewed and said they think there is a way.. You can't say people are not trying...
Yes it's a peace agreement but coming out of the EU was never considered ...
Times change and why is it so hard to see the that it is not set in stone. It is not impossible for there to be an acceptance way forward....
If people talk...

Rdoo · 25/03/2018 22:05

People like DD have been saying "there is a way" for months now but not putting forward any realistic solution, or even the basis of one.

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 22:11

Yet twice The EU have agreed to move forward...
Why do this unless something we don't know about is happening.
They don't want the only other way no deal....
As they know BInO can't happen . Free trade with us.

LaurieMarlow · 25/03/2018 22:13

That the GFA no an agreement. But a trap

But coming out of the EU was never considered

These comments are far more telling of the UK leaver mentality than you know. The sheer egotism behind them is mind blowing.

Guess what? Not everything in this world revolves around UK interest and priorities.

The GFA is not a 'trap'. It's an internationally recognised agreement, negotiated years before brexit, that's been remarkably successful in maintaining the peace in a very troubled region.

No, leaving the EU wasn't considered when the treaty was negotiated because why the fuck would it have been? The treaty wasn't about the EU. Brexit wasn't on the cards.

As it happens, the fact that both UK and Ireland were in the EU allowed a certain deal to be struck around citizenship and the border that was critical to the treaty's success.

When brexit started to be discussed, the onus was on the leave side to acknowledge that for various reasons, the GFA made the UK leaving the EU more difficult than another country. And long before the referendum, to start finding solutions to this issue or at least to define a brexit that would work within the terms of an already agreed and established international treaty.

What leavers don't seem to realise is that they need to work around the long standing agreements of other countries. Not ignore them, then throw their toys out of the pram because they can't be torn up because the UK wants something different. The world may have worked like that in the 1890s. It doesn't any more.

mummmy2017 · 25/03/2018 22:25

Who wants it torn up... I want it to evolve

LaurieMarlow · 25/03/2018 22:37

i want it to evolve

And what does that mean? It works remarkably well as it is. It strikes a very careful balance.

In what sense do you want it to evolve, other than to get round this border issue? Any messing with the border is exactly what would scupper it.

It's a problem for brexit and that's the only reason why you care. But why should it be forced to change to suit the leavers' agenda?

time4chocolate · 25/03/2018 22:53

Blimey, from reading these posts you would think no-one in NI voted to leave the EU.

Devilishpyjamas · 25/03/2018 22:53

If you think it can just easily ‘evolve’ you really do not understand the complexity of Northern Irish politics.

Devilishpyjamas · 25/03/2018 22:59

Old article but it gives some interesting stats about the vote in Northern Ireland - also shows why it is potentially so damaging to the region theconversation.com/how-northern-ireland-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-what-it-means-for-border-talks-76677 The peace in Northern Ireland is very fragile - it has the potential to go completely tits up courtesy of Brexit.

Peregrina · 25/03/2018 23:44

Blimey, from reading these posts you would think no-one in NI voted to leave the EU.

A majority voted for Remain, and better than 52/48! That must be good enough. It's 'the will of the people'.

The one treaty that I think I could see being re-negotiated is the 1711 Treaty of Utrecht, which gave Gibraltar to the UK. That the world situation has now completely changed should be self-evident. I haven't seen much thought given to Gibraltar, even though the will of the people at 96% was most emphatically for staying with the EU.

LondonMum8 · 25/03/2018 23:55

From FT:

May scrambles to avoid UK being frozen out of EU satellite project
Theresa May is leading last-ditch efforts to stop an “outrageous” EU move to freeze Britain out of Europe’s €10bn Galileo satellite project, as space becomes a new frontier in Brexit negotiations.

No comment as the numpties won't get it anyway :)

Peregrina · 26/03/2018 00:08

London, this will of course be the EU bullying the UK, as with the fishing quota debacle. It seems obvious to me that if you make a lot of noise about wanting out of an organisation, that you shouldn't be surprised when they say OK, if that's what you want.