Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

[surferjet]

Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only

Your very childish bear.. is this tonight's point that will cause you to lose your temper.You seem to do it every time you are on here...

The world has seen we are trying to sort the GFA agreement. And the EU are never going to even attempt to do anything that may be because it is up to the UK to find a way... But it also shows others that the EU are unbending which would mean as a trading partner I would avoid them like the plague... And go with someone who did try.......

Ireland wants to protect the GFA. This isn’t about arrogant leavers mummy. The GFA is a joint document between Ireland and UK. The GFA is the will of the Irish people who voted for it. Not English leavers. Your arrogance and ignorance are utterly breathtaking. The EU is looking after its member, Ireland.

A rhetorical turn of speech brandy. Obviously.

The bigger point (that the leavers on this thread are failing to take on board) is that the default position is NI staying in a customs union.

That probably means everyone staying in a customs union because the DUP and the SNP (and probably London/Wales) will kick off at NI getting special treatment.

If leavers want anything different, the onus is on their representatives to figure it out. If they actually got that point, they'd be very worried about lack of progress.

OK, back to the steps, which cannot be ignored or bypassed to achieve an amended GFA/BA/peace agreement.

It cannot just 'change' at the whim of one signatory - that is a breach.
It cannot just be ignored - that is a breach.
Does breaching the GFA have adverse consequences? Leavers up thread agree - yes it does.
Does the UK want to be the country seen by all other countries around the world, that mummy quite rightly says we want to/bear and others says we already do trade with, as a country that does not stick to the international agreements it has made?
Therefore mummy to amend it the UK and other signatories must come together to agree the new terms and then there may also be constitutional steps to be taken - 'will of the people' to ascertain.

No the UK are trying to find a way to leave...
This is what is happening.not my views but reality...
The UK is also trying to do what the country wants and voted for as a whole.
If no deal is found it has to be WTA.
FACT..

The world has seen we are trying to sort the GFA agreement

That's utter rubbish, the UK hasn't done a thing to sort it. The ultra brexiteers on the other hand have been undermining it at every given opportunity.

You think the rest of the world isn't paying attention to that? You think this is the type of country they want to do deals with?

If no deal is found it has to be WTA. FACT

Definitely not fact. Even the more committed brexiteers are dialling this down now. It's just too damaging on every level.

It will be BINO in the end. The negotiating team don't have the skills and aren't putting in the grind for anything else.

Prepare for the 'nobody's happy' outcome.

FFS mummmy it’s WTO not the sodding Women’s Tennis Association.

If no deal is found it has to be WTA.

I presume you mean WTO, unless Andy Murray is getting involved

But WTO rules require a hard border, so that doesn't get you any further in protecting the GFA.

Or indeed Judy Murray

Assuming mummy is not a bot, and I think I have seen no EU ref posts in other parts of MN, I do recognise a level of dogged determination to hold to an idea in the face of overwhelming challenge - well I would feel overwhelmed.

DD NO DEAL IS STILL THERE...

World trade agreement... FY.

I do not trust the EU.
I DO NOT SEE HOW THEY CAN ALL AGREE.
Then we have all the MP's and the Lord's..
It's So many people to say yes..
No deal just seem the out come.

What is a 'World Trade Agreement'?

There are only a handful of hard brexiteers in the commons. The majority will vote through a “sane” Brexit.

If we were to negotiate a change to the GFA (however unlikely that may be) would those changes have to be ratified through a referendum? Seeing as the original treaty was ratified via a referendum? How long would that take? And then there's no guarantee it would go through.

It's all very well saying we'll just go to WTO but if we did that and broke the GFA could sanctions be applied to us - either unilaterally or through the UN? After all the EU would back up Ireland as a member and the Irish diaspora in countries such as the US might pressure their government to act.

WTO plus sanctions would be catastrophic surely?

Your just about to have 27 countries suddenly put their demands on the table..
Each will want something different....
Each willing to throw the others out of the running to get their own needs.
Some take far more than they will ever give ....
How do you make each win...
Look at the trade deal that failed..
HOW..

Nah, no deal is hugely detrimental to the economy, presents absolute chaos in terms of all the various agreements that won't have been sorted before the deadline, risks NI kicking off again, with all the blame laid at the UK's door.

Even if the government were that stupid (and May and Hammond are not, though perhaps the less said about Davies the better) no way in hell is that getting through the commons, let alone the Lords.

Mummy the EU has been unified so far. They will certainly stick together wrt Ireland. Uk on the other is hugely disunited. The world can see this.

"Your just about to have 27 countries suddenly put their demands on the table."

The EU27 have been consistently united and transparent about what they want. It's in their rules, after all (and we were closely involved in creating and implementing them). Nothing sudden about it.

Apart from Ireland and Spain, who are special cases, individual member states aren't that invested.

They mostly want the UK to stop wasting everyone's time and energy and leave on reasonable terms that don't harm or disrupt the EU. They have been very much united behind the special interests of Ireland and Spain.

I've no idea why you think they'll find it hard to agree. They won't.

Your taking a huge deal on trust..
That Germany and France will as the ones who pay most can convince Others they get to win and everyone else falls into line...

Mummy, you do realise the foreign press hardly cover Brexit. I imagine most Europeans want uk to get on with leaving. It is brexiteers who have delusions of grandeur