Where is the next Brexit Arms thread?

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I have been waiting for two days patiently. Can't wait anymore.
Kindly bring it back Surfer.
No matter what we discuss or don't discuss there, this discussion must keep going.

The question wasn't about voter turnout though, was it?

The question wasn't about voter turnout though, was it?

It becomes about voter Turnout by Default.. especially in the UK.. Which is why so many of our MEPs ended up being UKIPers. Most of the people who bothered to vote - wanted to register their opposition to the institution of the EU.

Nick Reeves - 48%
This lot and their dark US tentacles are far more sinister and damaging to UK than British public could possibly know.

Farage, Murdoch, Banks, Trump, transatlantic cliques. The idea that #Brexit is patriotic is laughable.

Also attended by Sarah Sands now editor of the R4 Today.

theelements

Their name comes up on my autocorrect when i type the first two letters...

"UKIP got 4,376,635 votes in the 2014 European Elections. Even if 75% of Leave voters couldn't be arsed to vote abstained, then it's still enough to account for the UKIP vote"

But every remainer Ive ever met, all claim they vote in the europeans. All of them. And for your 'theory' to work, more remainers than leavers actually couldnt have been arsed to vote.

Lets try another way, lets say, hypothetically, we u turn everything. We accept everything remainers are demanding. We agree that youve been right all along. Then off you pop, sticking UKIP back in Brussels. Brilliant.

Remainers either couldnt be arsed before, or theyre lying about voting and supporting the EU, or theres actually only a handfull of you this fanatical. Which is it?

TBF, the only explanation is remainers are far less bothered about the EU than leavers, despite all the hot air and the minority social media army.

I havent voted in the EU elections

Or does this not count as met

Probably doesn't count...

"because they know that the ONLY things that their MEPs get to vote on is the things that an UNELECTED executive elite deign to allow them to vote."

That is absolutely true. And its not just the citizens who dont bother, heres the MEPs.....

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/jean-claude-juncker-criticises-ridiculous-european-parliament-1.3143265

Kilgore, just had a look at voter turnout, heavens, take out Belgium and Luxembour where voting is compulsory (and youll be fined if you dont), even Im shocked by the 13% turnout in Slovakia! I knew eastern bloc countries were low (low 20%s) but 13%?!!!! Makes our 35% look positively enthusiastic!

At what point will the EU admit theyre not representing anyone but themselves?

And there were around 11 million votes cast for all the other parties in the 2014 European elections in the UK. Plenty of opportunity for a good % of Remain voters to have cast a vote for parties that weren't standing on a Leave agenda.

In fact it was more than 12 million for parties other than UKIP in 2014.

Think you may have to consider including BNP, An Independence from Europe, English Democrats, No 2 EU, We Demand a Referendum Now, Britain First, and Yorkshire First in the UKIP column. Total votes over 500k

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,2014(United_Kingdom)

In the context of the discussion also worth noting UKIP total 2015 GE vote was only 3.9 m.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015

I know Carolinesbeanies, I think most Europeans realise what a total waste of time to vote in this joke of a "Parliament" - one that lacks legislative initiative.

I have always voted in the EU Parliament elections, and have never voted UKIP or Tory. LibDems, Greens, Labour have got my vote, and we managed to get two of them elected last time.

Well thats a comfort Peregrina. Where were the rest of you?

Howabout, theres not a chance UKIP would ever get anywhere near government in the UK. Ever. Which is what makes this whole 'youre all right wing facists' an utter fallacy. The only people putting UKIP in any form of power, appears to be all these passionate remainers voting in EU elections.

At the last GE, the monster raving loony party got 3,800 votes, the BNP, 4,600 votes and the Yorkshire Party got 20,000. So failing miserably to back up any argument about the mythical march of the far right, (clearly we should be a tad more fearful of a Yorkshire Coup), it appears woman11017 is now reduced to quoting twitter opinion as evidence.

Kilgore, heres some numbers that never fail to astound me. MEP national seat allocations are decided by 'negotiation' not by any reliable or fair calculation. (Its a masterclass in gerrymandering and malapportionment) But if we were to calculate seats by head of population, the UK (which currently holds 73 seats), would have the following;
Calculated as per Belgium seats per head, we'd have 120 MEPs. Denmark, we'd have 148. If we had as many as Lithuania per head, we'd have 236 MEPs but the best is Luxembourg. Luxembourg have 1 MEP for every 89,000 residents. We'd have 713 MEPs sitting in Brussels if we had proportionate calculation. 713! As a voter, (if you felt minded to vote in this farce of a rigged pyramid scheme) we have 9% of the influence a Luxembourger has, or put another way, a Luxembourgers view is 10 times more important than a Brits. Only France fare worse. You really couldnt make it up.

Yeah peregrina

Where were the other 16 mil?

There's an obvious reason why seats in the European Parliament aren't apportioned purely on the basis of population.

Andrew Duff MEP used mathematicians at Cambridge to come up with a more transparent method - interesting article on it here.

There's an obvious reason why seats in the European Parliament aren't apportioned purely on the basis of population.

Andrew Duff MEP used mathematicians at Cambridge to come up with a more transparent method - interesting article on it here.

That article was interesting randomly

On the subject of who voted for Theresa May (answer-nobody), is it time to join your local Conservative party (if it's not too late already?) Is there a leadership contest on the horizon? If so, once again the countries future direction stands at risk of being chosen by barmy boris/mogg loving wealthy old ladies from the Home Counties.

I think the Tories insist on six months membership before a person is allowed to vote, so it will be too late if the blood letting happens after this year's Conference. This assumes of course, that they manage to get two candidates to within site of the finishing post.

is it time to join your local Conservative party
It's certainly an idea Figment.

I'd hold my nose and join if it meant keeping out Mogg. He serves no purpose in the 21st Century.

At what point will the EU admit they're not representing anyone but themselves?

Never. Not the people at the top anyway they are deep into a brainwashed ideology and its been said many many times they will not admit its a failed experiment.

The only people putting UKIP in any form of power, appears to be all these passionate remainers voting in EU elections I agree.

we have 9% of the influence a Luxembourger has, or put another way, a Luxembourgers view is 10 times more important than a Brits. Only France fare worse. You really couldnt make it up

Its no surprise to me that little Luxembourg has large influence doesn't one of the EU big wigs come from there? What did Micheal Caine say ..

"The British film icon said Britain was being “run by a man called Mr Juncker” - the European Commission President, a former prime minister of Luxembourg.

During the Venice Film festival, he said: “Up until up until I was 20, I thought Luxembourg was a radio station.

I didn't even know it was a country and now he's running my country and he doesn't seem to like us”.

He said his decision to leave the Brussels club was not based on economics or immigration, but because “I’d rarer be a poor master of my own fate than a rich servant someone else’s”.

Wow. I'm convinced.