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Where is the next Brexit Arms thread?

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Valentine2 · 29/07/2017 17:51

I have been waiting for two days patiently. Can't wait anymore.
Kindly bring it back Surfer.
No matter what we discuss or don't discuss there, this discussion must keep going.

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BiglyBadgers · 16/09/2017 20:26

If you become an MEP you can have your direct vote for against any future president. You already get it indirectly through your local mep.

Get the support of the parliament and you to could become president following the electoral process. Of course generally we tend to go for people with some significant leadership experience, but hey I'm sure with your charm and obvious knowledge of international politics you can make it.

BiglyBadgers · 16/09/2017 20:40

Slaughter House 5 is one of the greatest anti-war books ever written, so I rather doubt you would find any support for an excitable call for a 3rd world war there. Of course a number of his other books, Galapagos for example, do show the extinction of the human race in a rather positive light, so perhaps that is what you are going for. Brexit certainly has something of a Vonnegut style self destructiveness about it.

TheElementsSong · 16/09/2017 20:41

S/he's the only regularly returning troll, that's for sure

I'm not going to name the alleged banned troll in case it summons them like Beetlejuice, let's just say they were very fond of (to them) hilarious misspellings of RL people's names and repeated C&P "questioning" (you know, the sort of questioning that has no interest in the actual answers) of other posters. Although I'm sure, if they do come back, they'll have taken note of these clues to change their MO.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 16/09/2017 20:49

Oh the misspellings of names rings a bell, Tim Farron was one I think? Won't say any more in case of potential Beetlejuice effect!

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 20:53

Thanks for a agreeing and proving (once again) that all of the power of the Fourth Reich lies in the hands of a small coterie of people who were not elected (by ordinary citizen voters) and there is no way of ordinary citizen voters to get rid of them at the ballot box.

BiglyBadgers · 16/09/2017 21:17

Umm..nope. You might want to read that again. I can try and simplify it for you if you like, but there is no accounting for willful ignorance I guess.

The people of the EU (including your good self) elected them all. Either through our election of an MEP who forms the parliament and elects of the president or by voting for our very own Government who gets to nominate commission members and had a say in the president. If you don't like the EU president lobby your MEP and May. However, if the majority of the EU likes him more than you he will stay, because it is a democratic institution.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/09/2017 21:20

I can't think of name, but deliberate name misspelling def rings a bell.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 16/09/2017 21:28

Smallfox leaps out to me due to the very aggressive posting style and disablist language.

As an aside, I think a lot of people would stop using the word 'cretin' if they actually knew what cretinism was.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 16/09/2017 21:36

Should add it wasn't that slur in particular that she was fond of dishing out that I found vile (as I said a lot of people are ignorant of the condition) but more the references to 'retards' and accusing people of drooling etc.

Anyhoo, enough about unpleasant trolls, I'm rambling as per Grin

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 22:02

The people of the EU (including your good self) elected them all.

Name me one ordinary citizen voter (not other overpaid EU politicians) who put their x on a ballot paper for Junkers and Tusk.

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 22:06

If you don't like the EU president lobby your MEP and May
I would rather sit back and watch it implode under it's own weight of corruption, pet projects, special interests and bureaucracy.

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 22:27

How many people put their cross in a box to elect May as Tory leader? The answer in effect is none because when it got to the last two candidates one of them dropped out, so she was returned unopposed. Maybe you could count those Tories who supported her in the original ballot when 5 people stood - but that's still only a relatively small handful of MPs.

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 22:28

I too would enjoy seeing the Tory party implode!!!

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 22:53

Today 22:27 Peregrina
How many people put their cross in a box to elect May as Tory leader

Ordinary citizen voters? None.
But she, along with every other UK MP was elected by ordinary citizen voters to represent a constituency. We, you - any of us can give the voters of her constituency an alternative and get rid of her next election. As an ordinary citizen voter I have no means of getting rid of Junkers or Tusk.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 16/09/2017 22:53

We don't elect presidents though, only parties, which is why May slipped in as PM without much trouble or opposition.

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 23:45

Today 22:53 MichaelFabricantsHair

We don't elect presidents though, only parties
Actually, In the UK we don't elect Presidents or parties. We elect Members of Parliament who may, but are not obliged to, organise themselves into parties. The constitutional monarch then invites the leader of the largest party to form an administration of government as a "first among equals" if she or he can command a majority in the House of Commons.

which is why May slipped in as PM without much trouble or opposition
Well that's a matter for the Tory party. Are you a member? I am not. There was nothing stopping you joining the Tory party if you wanted to influence that leadership choice. Regardless, she then called a snap election in 2017 and, while not winning enough MPs to lead an outright majority, was the leader of the largest party in the House.

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 23:49

Today 20:40 BiglyBadgers

Slaughter House 5 is one of the greatest anti-war books ever

Grin "You may as well write an anti glacier book" Kurt Vonnegut
KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 23:59

Today 21:17 BiglyBadgers

On Junkers ...
If the majority of the EU likes him more than you he will stay,
Do you like him Bigly?
because it is a democratic institution
Grin

MichaelFabricantsHair · 17/09/2017 00:14

Kilgore Yes of course it's a matter for the conservative party but still all part of our FPtP system. I have no objection to May being our PM, I don't think her posting was undemocratic at all, which was the point I was making about the UK not electing presidents.

The main objrction I have towards the EU is that I'm not a fan of long distance government. It's bad enough we have a FPtP system amd the unelected HoL without am added layer coming from Brussels. I ain't no Einstein or political whizz though, so that's just my opinion Smile

MichaelFabricantsHair · 17/09/2017 00:24

Realise that's a bit nonsensical; I've had Wine for the first time in months and feel a bit waffy Grin

Chuckling at the thought of me being a member of the conservative party though! 😂

KilgoreTroutV · 17/09/2017 00:32

Well I am also about a million miles from ever being a Tory. First and foremost, I believe in democracy and the right of ordinary citizen voters to get rid of their leaders at the ballot box. The citizen voters of Europe have no such power over their executive...And for that reason.....
I'm out.

Carolinesbeanies · 17/09/2017 06:59

Bigkybadgers, so for the 100th time of asking remainers, can you tell me why remainers have voted for a majority of UKIP MEPs to represent them? Why did you vote for UKIP in europe?

I know why I and many leave voters dont vote at all in european elections, its always been an objection by absetention to the EU even being in existance. But why oh why, do the avid pro europeans, the avid remainers, the 16million, those who claim to support the EU as the best thing since sliced bread, vote UKIP?

Carolinesbeanies · 17/09/2017 07:01

And then perhaps someone can explain why the EU actually needs a President? Its not a 'nation' so what is he President of?

RandomlyGenerated · 17/09/2017 10:07

Not sure why you think many (if any) Remain voters would have voted for UKIP?

UKIP got 4,376,635 votes in the 2014 European Elections. Even if 75% of Leave voters couldn't be arsed to vote abstained, then it's still enough to account for the UKIP vote.

KilgoreTroutV · 17/09/2017 11:00

RandomlyGenerated
Participation rates in elections for the EU "Parliament" are falling like a stone right across the EU. The voters realise that this is a sham of democracy and that the people they are voting for actually do not have any power. Only in dictatorships and the former Soviet bloc did we have "parliaments" that do not have ANY legislative authority. The EU should be the second largest democracy in the world (after India) with 380 million voters eligible to vote. But only a tiny and rapidly diminishing proportion of them bother to do so because they know that the ONLY things that their MEPs get to vote on is the things that an UNELECTED executive elite deign to allow them to vote. The executive elite are not bound by any decision the EU parliament votes on. It is literally a useless, toothless talking shop