Where is the next Brexit Arms thread?

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I have been waiting for two days patiently. Can't wait anymore.
Kindly bring it back Surfer.
No matter what we discuss or don't discuss there, this discussion must keep going.

I agree Surfer - the same boringly repetitive posters like to use it as an outlet to put the boot in.

And smallfox is a twat.

The bottom line is leavers here do not like being challenged on their views, despite claiming the threads are open to all. They cannot handle criticism of their precious Brexit. Snowflakes melting.

Are people this arsey and combative about Brexit in Real Life? I chat about it with my DH, mum and dad, but although my 70 year old mum voted to remain, she doesn't give me a hard time over my leave vote. We have civilised conversation and exchange views politely.

No one else in my social circle really mentions it, it's only here people seem to still be really cross and playing the blame game. The online arguments died down after a few weeks, thankfully.

Oh and I liked Surfer's initial intentions when she started the Brexit Arms threads but it just became a bear pit, sadly. So I don't blame her for washing her hands of it.

No, my family aren't this arsey about Brexit irl either michael. Interesting that you voted Brexit while your 70 year old DM voted Remain. My DB, DH and I all voted Brexit but my 74 year old DM voted Remain - we are all in "Scotland voted Remain". My DH is one of 5 and all but one of his siblings voted Brexit. One of his parents voted Remain, but his French DM voted Brexit. They are in the London commuter belt.

I am very dubious about all the generalisations based on polling data as it doesn't reflect what I hear irl. Otoh I don't see much "passion" on either side of the debate irl either.

I think it's so divisive people have chosen to avoid the subject -that's certainly my experience anyway.

I am also dubious about the polling data howabout. My sister and her DCs (who are all in their early 20s) voted for Brexit. Our family are all on the left as it were. DH voted Tory for the first time in his life in 2015 based on Cameron's promise to hold the referendum. He didn't tell me for weeks that he'd done the dirty, I wasn't impressed! I still rib him about it to this day, the traitor!

howabout DH, DS and I all voted Remain in "Scotland voted Remain". I don't know many people that voted Leave, other than elderly DM in England (and I'm afraid she is the full on stereotyped Daily Fail Leaver).

I think it's more to do with that you tend to socialise with people with similar world views rather than polling data being wildly out.

I think it's more to do with that you tend to socialise with people with similar world views rather than polling data being wildly out

It really was a 50/50 split among my social circle, which includes teachers, nurses and farmers. I'm not sure how the Scottish side of my family voted; I know they are firmly against Independence but we've not discussed Brexit, oddly enough; my mum's cousin puts on such a good spread when we visit I ain't rocking the boat

I think it's more to do with that you tend to socialise with people with similar world views rather than polling data being wildly out.

Yes, I agree with this. I have two acquaintances who voted Leave, but all my friends and family voted remain. All my work colleagues, too, but as I work in a university, that's hardly surprising, as we're all too aware of the impact on research and student recruitment. I was going to say academics tend to be critical thinkers, too, rather than 'emotional voters', but I won't.

Most people I know do still feel very passionately about it, particularly my DC's early-20s friends who believe FOM strips them of opportunities. Many of us are preparing to march in September, given the absolute shitshow we've seen since June 2016.

I think most remain voters would like nothing more than to feel less angry about Brexit, but the absence of sensible debate, coupled with the ridiculous 'Brexit Means Brexit' sloganeering is not reassuring at all. Furthermore, if we wander into Brexitland on social media, all we see is the worst kind of simplistic, often racist, flag-waving and comments about Libtards and Remoaners.

(Waits for a Leave voter to misconstrue that as a statement that 'all leave voters are thick racists...')

But then moderate Leavers probably aren't that vocal, especially on social media - it's most likely to be the extreme Brexiteers flag waving and cheering and so presenting a skewed impression of Leavers.

It got heated on my Facebook (mainly the morning after the vote) but I don't have any racists waving flags; I delete and block people like that, which in the past has tended to be people I went to school with and haven't seen in eons. Don't look at Brexitland either, stick to MN for all things Brexit.

I'm in the unique position of being both a lib (refuse to type the end of that word) and as I was called yesterday, a dweebling quiter.

It's quite the headfuck!

Bet you know loads of people who didn't bother to vote at all though Random. Northern Ireland (62.7%), Scotland (67.2%) and London (69.7%) had relatively low turnouts compared to total turnout of 72.2%. It is more significant once you consider that Northern Ireland, Scotland and London account for about 25% of the UK electorate and thus in other areas, predominantly Leave, turnout was about 75%.

Most issues in my neck of the woods can be solved with a decent spread as long as you stick to tea and moderate the football

I'm sure there must be people I know that didn't vote, but nobody that I've talked to about it falls into that category. DH and I were both brought up to view voting as important, and we live in an atypical area (always amazed at how many people have PhDs or medical degrees) so local friends and neighbours tend to vote as well.

Nor my parents or my siblings went to university; we were also brought up to understand the importance of voting.

One of my earliest memories is door-stepping for the Labour Party with my dad during the election campaign of 1983; a fruitless task that year!

I didn't go to uni either, sorry that isn't clear in my post above.

That explains our differing perspectives then Random

I was particularly miffed that our ex-neighbours told me how pleased they were that we had sold our house to two professors and how nice it was to have educated people in the street - DH and I may not be professor or surgeon material but we have clocked up a fair few qualifications between the two of us!

Any thoughts on this?

Seriously, what position are we in to 'demand' anything?

What planet do you have to be on to think this works?

We are going to leave the EU? That's what you voted for.

Why the fuck would we think we could just be accepted as compliant forever more when we've opted out of agreeing to future regulations?

It truly disgusts me that so little effort is being made here.

My theory is that David Davis has a penchant for ketamine.

Is that why DD always sounds a little hoarse?

I'll get me coat ...

Bar the head line Bear, I actually can't see the government 'demanding' anything. The only thing they have said is that this is an objective. Which is a long way from demanding anything. They aren't talking about future regulations anyway, they are talking about the current regulations the goods already comply with. The government is suggesting that these good, already being sold which comply with current regulations shouldn't need to start all over again and be tested.

The government is suggesting that these good, already being sold which comply with current regulations shouldn't need to start all over again and be tested.

But since the UK does not want to be bound by EU regulations, what is to stop firms ditching the compliance on the QT? Firm A won't be able to appeal to the ECJ to say look, we comply with the regulations, it's firm x that are the bad guys. The easiest for the rest of the EU is to say, tough luck, you wanted out, and that applies to all products.

This doesn't deal with gradual drift as EU regulations change and UK ones no longer keep in step with them.

Both sides of the economic debate from Minford and his detractors.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/21/will-brexit-boost-or-hurt-economy-free-trade?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=240411&subid=18573163&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Although, being of the Corbyn persuasion I really just wanted to link to the Corbyn Comic.

www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/21/jeremy-corbyn-comic-book-hero?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=240411&subid=18573163&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

And since there are a few fellow Scots on this thread, is it just me who gets fed up with people who don't even live in Scotland pontificating on Independence? Mr Wings Over Scotland lives in Bath!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41009988

Hi all. Mine's a mug of tea and I'll be in the corner.