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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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HashiAsLarry · 09/06/2017 21:04

Thanks rtb

PinkPeppers · 09/06/2017 21:07

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PinkPeppers · 09/06/2017 21:08

Did I hear right that R Davinson said that the Scottish conservatives are not supporting the coalition/ass ouations with the DUP.
If that is the case, does it mean TM doesn't have a majority after all??

Sorry I think I'm getting totally confused with that type of politics!

woman12345 · 09/06/2017 21:11

There is hope. You are a star red Wine to us and our loved ones.

BestIsWest · 09/06/2017 21:12

Thanks. Listening to QT. This Isabel Oakeshott is unpleasant isn't she?

CivQueen · 09/06/2017 21:13

PinkPeppers that would be interesting Grin

histinyhandsarefrozen · 09/06/2017 21:14

Mays campaign, mays approach has been disastrous.

whats also annoying is that she has unwittingly set herself up as a scapegoat/patsy for all this shite when actually Boris, Davis and gove created this mess and are still fairly untainted. Gahhhh.

ClashCityRocker · 09/06/2017 21:15

Thank you Red. These threads are a lifeline.

BestIsWest · 09/06/2017 21:16

Yes, thank you Red, you deserve an award.

CivQueen · 09/06/2017 21:16

I would buy your newspaper red Grin

FellOutOfBed2wice · 09/06/2017 21:21

What a eloquent and accurate summing up of the situation.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/06/2017 21:21

Lab win kensington

squoosh · 09/06/2017 21:23

I had forgotten how bloody annoying Isabel Oakeshott is. Sneering, supercilious, brittle, pain in the arse.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2017 21:24

Many thanks for your 2nd thread today, red and still maintaining the bigly high standard of OP Flowers

squoosh · 09/06/2017 21:24

Oh and great summing up!

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2017 21:26

New statesman:

"For Tony Blair to trash his reputation like this, it took ten years in power and two wars.
Theresa May managed it in six weeks.
That’s Conservative efficiency in action for you." Grin

WifeofDarth · 09/06/2017 21:27

Thank you Red. This is literal this evening Wine

HashiAsLarry · 09/06/2017 21:27

Slightly on delay but 😂 at oakenshot robotically regurgitating sound bites complaining about maybot robotically regurgitating sound bites

histinyhandsarefrozen · 09/06/2017 21:27

Yes, sorry, fab red as always.

This Isabel oakshotte comes across v badly.

Badders123 · 09/06/2017 21:27

Cheers red 🍸

squoosh · 09/06/2017 21:31

Red do you happen to know how many Westminstenders threads you have started in total?

ElenaGreco123 · 09/06/2017 21:34

Flowers for the new thread.

For some light relief:
Driving in the car listening radio for about the non-reshuffle.
DS (9): Who is the leader of the Conservative party?
Me: Theresa May.
DS totally confused: But she is American!
Me: No, she is definitely English.
DS: But she is married to Donald Trump. They were holding hands!

Arborea · 09/06/2017 21:36

Also watching QT and wondering where the UKIP representative is... Wink Grin

OlennasWimple · 09/06/2017 21:36

Another excellent OP, Red.

Question: was TM premature in seeking permission from HMQ to form a government? From what Arlene Foster is saying, it's not certain that the DUP will play ball

Question: what would JC's alternative government actually look like? Even with the SNP and Lib Dems he would still be short of the number needed for majority rule. Maybe a couple of independents and Caroline Lucas would jump on board, but it could be an incredibly scrappy government.

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:38

Re: Ruth Davidson, worth looking at the list of openly gap MPs:

Stuart ANDREW – Pudsey
Crispin BLUNT – Reigate
Nick BOLES – Grantham & Stamford
Conor BURNS – Bournemouth West
Alan DUNCAN – Rutland & Melton
Nigel EVANS – Ribble Valley
Mike FREER – Finchley & Golders Green
Nick GIBB – Bognor Regis & Littlehampton
Justine GREENING – Putney
Nick HERBERT – Arundel & South Down
Margot JAMES – Stourbridge
Daniel KAWCZYNSKI – Shrewsbury & Atcham
Mark MENZIES – Fylde
Damien MOORE* – Southport
David MUNDELL – Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale
Lee ROWLEY* – Derbyshire North East
Iain STEWART – Milton Keynes South
Ross THOMSON* – Aberdeen South
William WRAGG – Hazel Grove

*elected yesterday.

2 of Scotland's 13 CON MPs are on the list above, including Ross Thomson who was elected yesterday. Ruth Davidson certainly seems to have fostered a good culture of supporting gap Conservatives. It perhaps isn't that surprising that she is essentially making a stand against the DUP deal because it is so fundamental to her political beliefs. To not do so undermines her politically. She has little choice if she wants to retain her integrity.

For May to not even consider this, just shows what she considers as acceptable. Don't forget a couple of Sundays ago she was caught on camera with a controversial pastor who has advocated gay cure and has campaigned about it been 'Christainophobia' to oppose Christians who are homophobic because its their religious right to be a bigot.

Farron was the one questioned relentlessly during the campaign over his views on homosexuality. May either wasn't asked the same question or just brushed it off with no follow up from the journalist concerned.

This is therefore the second time in less than a month where her ACTIONS over associations with homophobic groups speak much louder than her empty words.

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