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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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lalalonglegs · 09/06/2017 21:40

Thanks, Red.

I'm still feeling curiously optimistic. The wheels haven't just come off a hard Brexit, the engine's fallen out and the roof's letting in water. I can't see it happening in anything even close to TM's wet dream of no ECHR/FoM/ECJ/CU/SM.

Sit back and enjoy a summer of increasingly ruthless backstabbing as others jostle to set out their leadership stall, culminating in an assassination shortly after Conference.

TheTombstonesMove · 09/06/2017 21:40

Things up red

CeciledeVolanges · 09/06/2017 21:41

Surely she can have a minority government? It might not work but the FTPA is still in place :(

CeciledeVolanges · 09/06/2017 21:41

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall at Buckingham palace though

TheTombstonesMove · 09/06/2017 21:42

FFS. thumbs up red. As in, thank you.

OlennasWimple · 09/06/2017 21:43

thoughtful piece by Gaby Hinsliff is worth a read

ElenaGreco123 · 09/06/2017 21:44

HIGNFY Grin

LotisBlue · 09/06/2017 22:00

Thanks for the thread red.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 09/06/2017 22:00

Thanks for the new thread and excellent summary, red.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/06/2017 22:04

I would also buy your newspaper!

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2017 22:04

The great problem with politicians who shut themselves away for years and refuse admittance to anyone asking awkward questions

is that they get used to deferential minions being totally respectful
and maybe even they become the tabloids' pet

so they are completely unprepared for the general public who are neither deferential or respectful and who ask awkward questions all the time.

Top politicians should never fall into the echo chamber trap, because to do an effective job they need to be aware of different viewpoints and passions, even if just to build their own counter-arguments.

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:04

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/86574/ruth-davidson-demands-theresa-may-presses
Ruth Davidson demands Theresa May presses DUP on LGBT rights

Question: was TM premature in seeking permission from HMQ to form a government? From what Arlene Foster is saying, it's not certain that the DUP will play ball

Yes I do. I think she rushed to Buckingham Palace as quick as she could to avoid calls to resign. I would question whether she had followed proper protocol. She certainly didn't ask anyone else in the party (She hadn't see the Cabinet at any point prior today).

The now developing standoff with Ruth Davidson only serves to highlight the lack of thought and involvement of others in the decision making process.

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TheElementsSong · 09/06/2017 22:05

Thanks for another brilliant summary RTB!

WeakAndUnstable · 09/06/2017 22:05

Ah you're working hard for us this week Red, I'll give you that Cake

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 09/06/2017 22:14

Fabulous thread

I'm still feeling curiously optimistic. The wheels haven't just come off a hard Brexit, the engine's fallen out and the roof's letting in water

We can but hope.

OlennasWimple · 09/06/2017 22:14

Any Games of Thrones fans on here recognise Cersei Lannister in the PM....?

Anyway, here is a useful discussion on the Salisbury Convention, the key bits seeming to me to be:

the key point is the relationship between the two Houses and the primacy of the Commons, and that the Salisbury-Addison Convention gives effect to the requirements of that relationship. They therefore consider that the Convention should continue to mean, in relation to the behaviour of the Lords:

"- A manifesto Bill is accorded a Second Reading;

- A manifesto Bill is not subject to 'wrecking amendments' which remove large parts of the Bill or change completely the effect of the Bill; and

- A manifesto Bill is accorded a Third Reading so that the House of Commons has the opportunity to consider any amendments the Lords wish to propose.

In other words, the Convention is about the nature of the relationship between the HoC and HoL, so it is largely irrelevant how large a majority the government has. But it is only a convention, and can in theory be set aside at any point. So no change from the previous position

IrenetheQuaint · 09/06/2017 22:16

How can she not see that pissing off Ruth Davidson is disastrous at this point?

ElenaGreco123 · 09/06/2017 22:18

Cersei is way less unhinged.

MangoSplit · 09/06/2017 22:19

Thanks for new thread

Artisanjam · 09/06/2017 22:20

Thanks Red. You've gone way above and beyond the call of duty. Hope the weekend is less 'interesting'!

TheElementsSong · 09/06/2017 22:24

So basically TM went scurrying to the dodgy DUP in a premature and ill-thought-out panic, and it might turn out to be a catastrophic constitutional crisis?

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:25

Q: Why didn't the person who was Home Secretary for 7 years not know that going into a political pact of this nature with the DUP, is in contravention of the Good Friday Agreement?

Or did she?

This is part of the transcription of her first speech as Prime Minister. Noting here the ironic comments about David Cameron's achievements:

^I have just been to Buckingham Palace, where Her Majesty The Queen has asked me to form a new government, and I accepted.
In David Cameron, I follow in the footsteps of a great, modern Prime Minister. Under David’s leadership, the government stabilised the economy, reduced the budget deficit, and helped more people into work than ever before.^

^But David’s true legacy is not about the economy but about social justice. From the introduction of same-sex marriage, to taking people on low wages out of income tax altogether; David Cameron has led a one-nation government, and it is in that spirit that I also plan to lead.
Because not everybody knows this, but the full title of my party is the Conservative and Unionist Party, and that word ‘unionist’ is very important to me.^

It means we believe in the Union: the precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. But it means something else that is just as important; it means we believe in a union not just between the nations of the United Kingdom but between all of our citizens, every one of us, whoever we are and wherever we’re from.

and from today:

Cracking down on the ideology of Islamist extremism and all those who support it and giving the police and the authorities the powers they need to keep our country safe.

“The government I lead will put fairness and opportunity at the heart of everything we do so that we will fulfil the promise of Brexit together and over the next five years build a country in which no one and no community is left behind, a country in which prosperity and opportunity are shared across this United Kingdom.

“What the country needs more than ever is certainty and having secured the largest number of votes and the greatest number of seats in the General Election it is clear that only the Conservative and Unionist party has the legitimacy and ability to provide that certainty by commanding a majority in the House of Commons.

“As we do, we will continue to work with our friends and allies in the Democratic Unionist party in particular.

“Our two parties have enjoyed a strong relationship over many years and this gives me the confidence to believe that we will be able to work together in the interests of the whole United Kingdom.

Its striking that in the first speech she used the old fashioned and out of favour full name of the Conservative Party.

She then used it again today, in part to normalise and emphasis the relationship with the DUP, as if there was nothing to see here and this is completely uncontroversial.

I don't know why it bothers me that she used the unionist bit back in July last year as well as today. It just doesn't sit well with me.

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howabout · 09/06/2017 22:26

It's all downhill for TM now. She hasn't even got her own audience on side. Laura K running the thought experiment that the Tories are not being ruthless because they need Brexit stability - doesn't really work as an argument given the noises off and the inability to reshuffle let alone formulate a Queen's speech.

woman12345 · 09/06/2017 22:31

What did Brenda say to her? Grin I can imagine what Phil the Greek thinks.

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:34

This isn't just reassurances being sort by Ruth Davidson by the sound of it. The Telegraph is suggesting its a full on confrontation and mutiny against May over a number of issues:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan

Ruth Davidson is to defy Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit and tear her Scottish party away from English control after the UK Tories’ disastrous General Election result.

Amid a growing clamour among senior Tories in London for Ms Davidson to be given a top position in the UK party, her aides are working on a deal that would see the Scottish party break away to form a separate organisation.

It would maintain a close relationship with the English party – they have been joined together as part of the United Kingdom Conservative and Unionist Party since 1965 - and its 13 MPs would take the Tory whip at the Commons.

Although it hasbeen mooted for some time, the imminent split between the Scottish and English parties is a direct result of a dramatic deterioration in relations between the Scottish Tory hierarchy in Edinburgh and 10 Downing Street

Put into the context of the above mentioned speech when May became PM, and the idea of working with the DUP, its even funnier.

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