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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:35

Tomorrows Sunday front page.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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CivQueen · 09/06/2017 22:39

I think that is the first time I've enjoyed looking at the front page of the Sun Grin (not the top half)

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:39

So basically TM went scurrying to the dodgy DUP in a premature and ill-thought-out panic, and it might turn out to be a catastrophic constitutional crisis?

That's the long and short of it. Against the Good Friday Agreement. Sinn Fein out right saying this. John Major avoiding asking for support when he was in a minor government (this is pre -GFA) because it was problematic.

Its extremely ill advised because of the knock on implications for the talks about Stormont too which the current government are supposed to be mediating between the DUP and Sinn Fein.

How can they mediate if the DUP are in effect part of the government albeit not with an official agreement. It hardly looks impartial does it.

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TheElementsSong · 09/06/2017 22:41

Thanks RTB

Just. Unbelievable. Angry

The woman is utterly incompetent.

annandale · 09/06/2017 22:42

Thanks Red.
Surely TM must have talked to someone about the DUP before she went for it. But who?

And has she NO thought for the scriptwriter struggling to turn this into a one-off quality drama in five years' time? Where is the suspense?

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:44

Here's the front of the Fail.

That seems to confirm idea that May just here for a few months and is being replaced by a suitable candidate as we speak. They are just not allowing it to be a Cameron style resignation with months of limbo.

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
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CivQueen · 09/06/2017 22:46

Is Murdoch going to start to sneak the mail and sun over to the centre slightly now?

He must be gutted he alone doesn't control how the plebs vote anymore Grin

CivQueen · 09/06/2017 22:46

Not the mail obviously, but someone might Grin

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:46

Elements see this:

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CeciledeVolanges · 09/06/2017 22:47

I find it easier to sympathise with Cersei. Although fields of wheat aren't the only thing she's ever done.

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:48

Simon Cox‏*@SimonFRCox*
Can UK Ministers who depend on DUP to hold power, exercise "rigorous impartiality" in NI Assembly disputes abt DUP?

Full version of the GFA

(v) affirm that whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of Northern Ireland, the power of the sovereign government with jurisdiction there shall be exercised with rigorous impartiality on behalf of all the people in the diversity of their identities and traditions and shall be founded on the principles of full respect for, and equality of, civil, political, social and cultural rights, of freedom from discrimination for all citizens, and of parity of esteem and of just and equal treatment for the identity, ethos, and aspirations of both communities;

Its a total conflict of interests.

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:52

Ruth Davidson‏ @RuthDavidsonMSP

B**cks. Folk might remember I fought a leadership election on the other side of that particular argument....

In response to the Telegraph article.

If not true, someone is doing some serious shit stirring with that story non-the-less!

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 22:55

Also see this interview from skynews of Jonathan Powell, former British negotiator on Northern Ireland about why Tory/DUP deal not possible.

twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/873254684471033856

Note: May has already run off to the Queen to tell her she CAN do this to form a new government. When it really appears she can't.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/06/2017 22:56

Placemarking, thanks Red

NancyWake · 09/06/2017 23:04

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HashiAsLarry · 09/06/2017 23:06

I'm anyone else see this Tory/dup thing as a distraction?
They nearly always vote with Tory anyway.
What is being hidden right now?

OlennasWimple · 09/06/2017 23:08

I'm still more relaxed about the GFA issue than lots of commentators.

Jonathan Powell seems to be forgetting that the Conservatives and UUP have had various forms of agreement / cooperation over the years (heck, David Trimble is now a Tory peer!) and this hasn't been raised as an issue to date that I'm aware of.

IIRC, that provision in the GFA is to prevent either the British Government or the Irish Government (should that situation arise) behaving in an discriminatory way such as a return to gerrymandering the constituencies, introducing religious requirements for holding public office, focusing economic investment only in neighbourhoods that are predominantly orange or green etc etc. The British government already has to act in line with the HRA and the Equality Act in the exercise of its public duties; the GFA goes further than those acts in a couple of NI-relevant areas, but I suspect the problem will be appearing to be even-handed rather than actually being neutral.

Corcory · 09/06/2017 23:12

I have always had the impression that Ruth Davidson and TM were quite chummy - if anyone can be with TM I hardly think RD would be trying to separate from the rest of the conservative party. What good would that do her? RTB the title Conservative and Unionist party is what the conservatives have always been called traditionally in Scotland. It has become even more relevant to point the unionist part of the party name in Scotland in recent times. The unionist part has nothing at all to do with NI and the DUP from my perspective. Ruth Davidson asked TM for assurances that any deal with the DUP would not dilute any of the rights of the LGBT community in the rest of Britain.

Golondrina · 09/06/2017 23:23

Placemarking so I can catch up.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/06/2017 23:30

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2017 23:50

I'd read that Ruth met May weekly and they got on well.

However, the Telegraph said SCon have been complaining for months about political interference from May's acolytes.
Apparently Ruth refused to accept the MayBot GE strategy and won those Scottish seat with her very own strategy.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/06/2017 23:51

Marina Hyde (Guardian):

"Crosby has masterminded a campaign akin to one of those Funniest Home Videos where someone attempts to light their own farts and ends up in hospital.
They’re still the government, but they’ll never use the bathroom the same way again." Grin

NancyWake · 10/06/2017 00:15

I think TM is on a hiding to nothing trying to deal with DUP and Arlene Foster now I have had time to digest it

Agreed. As I said this morning, it's not going to last 5 mins.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 00:21

Ruth Davidson saved the Tories - and made this DUP arrangement mathematically possible
She's probably not happy that their new chums at Westminster want to "cure" her and her fiancée - at best.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2017 00:25

BBC: May's ego trip of a GE cost £143 million.

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