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Brexit

To think this could mean the end of brexit?

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jdoe8 · 03/11/2016 11:26

Now MPs will be able to block it. Could this be the end of this ridiculous brexit? MPs can not vote for something that they think will not be in peoples interest and its very clear the people that voted to brexit would be the ones worse off.

JO'B is doing a fab job on LBC today and most brexiters seem to be happy that it might not go ahead as they were fooled by lies!

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ThroughThickAndThin01 · 03/11/2016 13:50

What do you think the surprise will be Elendon?

slenderisthenight · 03/11/2016 13:51

through It was intended to make people think it would be. And many did. You'd be a fool not to know that.

GplanAddict · 03/11/2016 13:51

I dread to think of the surge in UKIP support if Brexit is blocked. It will be nastier than actually Brexiting I think.

dontcrynow · 03/11/2016 13:51

What is the point of having a referendum? Should we just treat it as an opinion poll - we want to find out what you think but we aren't necessarily going to act on it.

Similar to the SNP approach to the Scottish referendum on independence.

Dadstheworld · 03/11/2016 13:52

Sorry missed second quote

“This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 03/11/2016 13:52

Theres a break down of how much sent across, how much is returned etc. Its not a secret.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 03/11/2016 13:53

Clever campaigning I'd say, nothing wrong with that.

PassTheCremeEggs · 03/11/2016 13:54

TikTuk you might feel DC made the referendum binding, but he didn't. It was never legally binding. But I agree many people felt it was - unfortunately that's because they didn't research it.

I voted to remain but believe that parliament will still vote to trigger article 50 - acting on the will of the people as advised by the referendum. That's probably how it should be, no matter how much I would hope the opposite.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 03/11/2016 13:54

PassTheCremeEggs, agreed, but I feel David Cameron made the referendum binding and legitimized the result by resigning when he did, if that makes sense?

We live in a constitutional democracy and no one individual can change how it operates by resigning. The High Court has found the rules that control how the state operates do not allow the Government to trigger Article 50 on the basis of a non binding referendum without consulting Parliament. These are Parliament's own rules made by them. So all these MP's now complaining about the decision should take a bit of time to remind themselves what their own laws say.

PassTheCremeEggs · 03/11/2016 13:56

Sorry - TukTuk not TikTuk

catgirl1976 · 03/11/2016 13:57

What is the point of having a referendum? Should we just treat it as an opinion poll

Well yes. Because that's exactly what it is.

Elendon · 03/11/2016 13:57

Dad The referendum was created by an act of parliament.

No it wasn't. It was part of the Conservative Party's manifesto.

BarbarianMum · 03/11/2016 13:57

^^THIS.

LineyReborn · 03/11/2016 13:57

I think Theresa May is probably very secretly relieved.

Btw the only Brexit voter I know would now vote Remain, having seen the lie exposed about the £350m for the NHS.

PassTheCremeEggs · 03/11/2016 14:00

*The referendum was created by an act of parliament.

It's own campaign literature contained this phrase

“The referendum on Thursday 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in the European Union."*

Yes - dadstheworld - it was our chance to decide to remain. If the country had voted to remain, no further action would have been needed and the country would have decided. But choosing to leave is a totally different prospect requiring major action by Parliament. It was well worded!!

Toffeelatteplease · 03/11/2016 14:00

I think we've handed the country to UKiP if we don't leave before a general election.

Elendon · 03/11/2016 14:00

Similar to the SNP approach to the Scottish referendum on independence.

That can only be triggered by Parliament. The breaking up of the UK and Northern Ireland can only be triggered by Parliament and then they take it to a referendum.

Tuktuktaker · 03/11/2016 14:02

Sorry, to clarify, as I obviously didn't make sense: I think that David Cameron's resignation made people believe that the referendum result was legally binding, and that therefore, "Brexit means Brexit" although nobody actually knows what Brexit is, and that May had every justification to forge full steam ahead with a "hard Brexit" without reference to Parliament. I am delighted by the outcome of this case, it seems to me to be constitutionally the correct thing to happen. Though the future for Britain remains confused.

PassTheCremeEggs · 03/11/2016 14:05

Elendon - the referendum was actually created by an act of parliament - the European Union Referendum Act 2015.

101handbags · 03/11/2016 14:06

I'm a staunch Remainer. Sadly, we WILL leave the EU but perhaps after much more debate and legal challenges back and forth. I just don't think MPs - despite all the rhetoric about stopping it - will ultimately stop Brexit, they just won't. I agree with the poster who hopes that this might somehow influcence the way in which we leave.

Elendon · 03/11/2016 14:06

Through I think the surprise will be that they vote against and that this will trigger a general election. Personally, I will vote Lib Dem, though still a Labour Party member. Because if I do so Conservative won't win.

MyschoolMyrules · 03/11/2016 14:07

Oh wait... TM has announced that there will be an appeal to the court's decision... She doesn't like their answer so she will ask again. Funny that.

PassTheCremeEggs · 03/11/2016 14:08

I think on something like this it is fair enough to appeal to the highest court possible. Then there can be no doubt at a later stage.

101handbags · 03/11/2016 14:09

'MPs will vote according to their consitutuents' wishes....' I wish that were true. I live in one of the most staunchest remain areas in England. No chance my MP would vote Brexit down, no chance at all.

Tuktuktaker · 03/11/2016 14:10

Is it true that this case could ultimately go to the European Court, or is that just a pretty fallacy someone has come up with?