To think this could mean the end of brexit?

[jdoe8]

Now MPs will be able to block it. Could this be the end of this ridiculous brexit? MPs can not vote for something that they think will not be in peoples interest and its very clear the people that voted to brexit would be the ones worse off.

JO'B is doing a fab job on LBC today and most brexiters seem to be happy that it might not go ahead as they were fooled by lies!

[lonelyplanetmum]

Let's hope the letter writing helps.Charles Goerens's followers on Twitter have increased by about 500 over the last week. The official debate is tomorrow so we will see how it is received and the extent of support and opposition from other MEPs. I suppose any other member state with a significant anti EU presence in the electorate may support the proposal as it would be of future benefit their citizens as well, if they find themselves in the same mess we are in!

[CruCru]

Okay, I've just emailed my MEP.

"Dear Mr Moraes

I understand that there is a proposal to allow UK citizens to remain associate citizens of the EU in return for a fee.

I am very much against leaving the EU and would be grateful if you would support any proposal that would allow U.K. citizens to remain part of the EU.

Yours sincerely"

[Peregrina]

i.e. I didn't waste time writing to Farage and Hannan - although Hannan expected to stay in the single market and have freedom of movement.

[Peregrina]

Done that too. Although with a couple of MEPs, namely Hannan and Farage, it will be a waste of time.

[amaravatti]

Done, thanks

[lonelyplanetmum]

Just wanted to say that whilst writing to your MP about Article 50 why not drop a line to your MEP or Charles Goerens himself supporting his proposal (depending on who your MEP is of course!).

[Secretspillernamechange]

Well we've got a good lib dem option when the GE happens!

[Peregrina]

Nicola Blackwood, yes. I assume that she was just hitting the delete button when she got my emails, so yesterday rewarded her with a three page letter by post. I reminded her that Robert Courts in Witney had managed to lose 19,000 Conservative votes and suggested that she reflected upon her own majority.

[Secretspillernamechange]

Ha, peregina, I thought earlier that I need to make sure I write to my MP re this vote...I guess my letter will just add to Nicola Blackwood's pile of unopened mail

[Petronius16]

Thank you both, the dual citizenship makes sense, thanks.

[Offred]

It would work similarly to how dual citizenship now.

[Peregrina]

The plan is you pay a fee to retain EU citizenship, and it was for citizens of all countries which left. I don't see how the UK Government could stop it, except perhaps take your UK citizenship away, which would be difficult if a lot of people signed up.

[Petronius16]

Don't have facebook. Idea looks good, but not sure how it works.

If it's for UK citizens living in Europe, that makes sense.

For us in the UK, once we leave we'll be living in a foreign country in relation to the EU. Can't see how such a law could be implemented here without government approval. Or have I missed something?

[CruCru]

Lovely, I'll email my MEP tomorrow.

[lonelyplanetmum]

Great, his followers have increased slightly today. Apparently his proposal is up for a vote on Monday, and if passed then goes before all MEPs in December. Yes I guess we all should be lobbying MEPs as well as social media support for Charles, at least trying to do something....

[Peregrina]

I emailed all those who sit on the committee - their names and email addresses were on a facebook page. Trouble with facebook is, you can't always find the posting again. So I am not sure if it was the 48% facebook page or the Vote for Europe facebook page.

[SapphireStrange]

I've been in touch with Charles Goerens already and had a fast and enthusiastic, committed-sounding response from him.

I also emailed the London MEPs and have had similarly impressive responses from two of them. In contrast to my own MP

[CruCru]

Super, I'm on his FB page now.

[lonelyplanetmum]

I posted this on another thread but thought it may be better here. I am trying to get Remainers views and support for Charles Goerens. He is the liberal member of the EU Parliament (previous roles include Minster for Foreign affairs and for Cooperation,Humanitarian action and defence) who is trying to help us.

He has realised how divided we are, and supports the 48% who wanted to remain part of the EU. He has proposed an amendment to the relevant Treaties that may enable those British citizens who want it, some of the same rights they had as EU citizens, including :

🔹the right of residence

🔹 to travel freely in the EU

🔹to be able to vote in European elections and

🔹be represented by an MEP.

He is a very experienced parliamentarian and must think this is feasible. It is worth googling him asap and following him on Twitter and liking his page on Facebook? His proposals are due for debate in about three days time!

I know that the 48% would prefer full citizenship, but for Remainers this is better than nothing.Surely following him sends a message from the otherwise forgotten 48%?

[Peregrina]

Now my LibDem MEP has already replied to my email of yesterday.

Yes, Nicola Blackwood MP, you owe me the courtesy of a reply from an email of three months ago.

[Peregrina]

Mine voted Remain in a Remain constituency, but I am expecting a 'people have spoken' response. Well 16 million didn't, and they have a duty to consider our wishes too, if only to persuade us why it's a good course of action.

[SapphireStrange]

Well, in her case, Cru, the balance surely comes down on the side of her Remain constituents AND the good of the country.

A shoo-in for Remain if the world was sensible, which it isn't

[CruCru]

Sure, feel free to use that. You might have to reword it if your constituency voted in favour of Leave.

I do see the point about representing all constituents. However, I am concerned that she may vote as her party leader tells her to, rather than in line with the wishes of the majority of voters in her constituency.

[SapphireStrange]

Then she has to represent all of her constituents, however they voted. And she has to remember that she has sworn an oath to do the best for the country.

It's a delicate balance, granted, but that's the job.

[Peregrina]

CruCru - you might get a dusty answer to say that she is a representative not a delegate as Mrs May did to one of her constituents.

Other than that may I borrow it for my own MP.?I have got copious notes to form the basis of another long letter to her, but the short pithy ones are probably more effective.